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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 10:14 AM) So you are admitting all your posts complaining endlessly about the talent level are just BS. The Sox apparently have plenty of talent to win, it is Robin Ventura holding them back. They lack talent and a manger.

Robertson, Laroche and Soto for JR Murphy

Sox need C, 3B, OF prospects. Don't need MI prospects

Unlike guys like Henley and Sandoval, Robertson has pitched to his contract so it's not surprising he was claimed. Despite "blown saves" he has pitched well.Wonder if we could even work out a trade. I'd rather keep him though.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 12:13 AM) I doubt KW leaves. I just want an all new coaching staff starting with a veteran manager. I don't necessarily want a veteran manager. I want A manager with experience coaching in major-league baseball. I also like one who is attuned to modern thinking and analytics. The front office did a dreadful job last off-season so there really needs to be some churning there too.

then Ventura pulls the best hitter out of the lineup for a pinch runner.

Rodon was much more polished out of college than Fullmer. Fulmer has a goofy, vicious delivery that they really need to straighten out to get full value out of him.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 29, 2015 -> 10:02 AM) Melky was a worse signing than LaRoche? Lmao ok. Sure it was. More money more years, gave up a draft pick. People act like he's producing offensively. He's not. He is also a lousy defender. Laroche is a good defender but the Sox aren't using what little value he has. We're done with Laroche after one more year. They could cut him in the spring.

The problem is Laroche and Melky were very likely to Decline. Melky was the worse signing. More money more years, gave up a pick, bad on defense. Great post up there Balta Explains everything vividly and accurately..

The rebuild was going fine until they decided to take a U-turn last winter and sign a bunch of veteran stiffs. You can look at the rebuild of the Astros and Cubs ans most of their talent was not acquired from trades. It was acquired from signings of international players and through the astute drafting. Yes the Cubs got their ace from a trade but that was from a trade anything should do – Dumping a mediocre veteran in July for a young player. Again that's another thing Sox simply did not do over the last year.

JR has fired many coaches and executives of the past 35 years. Just seems to have a thing for Williams though.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 28, 2015 -> 09:38 AM) One month of Matt Albers should net a decent prospect? What's the downside? Decent relative to waiver wire trades.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 28, 2015 -> 09:09 AM) I agree with this. They may deal him in the offseason but I think they pick up the option for sure. That would be outrageous. More hero-worshiping. More sentimentality from an overly sentimental organization. Cubs have their goats; Sox have their slightly above average players they turn into heroes. If they want him back, decline the option then sign him. Or trade him now, even better.

Saladino looks like the utility infielder going forward. At least He won't cost 4 million. Micah should be up now.

Gracious, Kanny has lost 13/14

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 08:06 AM) I'd like to see them dump Soto and give the at-bats to Rob Brantly. If they could deal Ramirez I'd consider that too but they'll probably explore that in the offseason. There's nothing to trade in the offseason re Ramirez, unless they pick up his option, which, if they do, would make him untradeable anyway. the time is now (actually, it was 9 months ago). Waiver trade Albers...he would bring a lottery prospect. Don't know what they're waiting on unless Kenny is still waiting on that 10 game winning streak or they're worried about the effect of trading heroes on attendance.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 03:18 PM) There is also a possibility that the White Sox do not exercise Ramirez's option and the White Sox move Sanchez to SS (or promote Anderson) for next season and use that money to fill out the lineup should there be another offensive upgrade in free agency or trade. I do think Johnson should be in the lineup most days next season if his ability to hit is not in question. There is no way that the Sox should pick up Alexei's option. Sanchez and Saladino should play SS the rest of the way.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 02:24 PM) I agree and disagree. I don't think he's a garbage throw-in by any means. I also believe he is going to get traded in the offseason as part of a package for a different position player. How about a trade for a ML 3B, just like he's a ML ready 2B. Shouldn't need much of a "package" I'll pass on a bigger package for any more "proven veterans" and fallen heroes out of Williams and Hahn. That approach has been a debacle. He needs to play over the next 5 weeks. And Alexei needs to sit.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 08:33 AM) Not really. Sanchez is the 2B for the near future in my opinion. Saladino can play SS until Anderson is ready. I don't really see a spot for Micah either. His bat is insufficient for 2b...probably. But if you go by the last 2 months only, he's okay there. But we do have Micah. And fine, trade him for a 3b, but jettisoning him to the minors in May doesn't max his value. He needs to play regularly over the next 5 weeks.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 06:22 PM) I'm sick of watching the White Sox playing circus clown defense. Micah Johnson's not an elite hitter whose bat would compensate for his defensive incompetence. He's also had a problem staying healthy. Then you better not look at the outfield, if you don't want to see clown defense. It's hard for me to take the Sox seriously if they say that Johnson's defense isn't up to their standards, when they sign Melky Cabrera to a $50 million deal and forego a draft choice.. Regardless, no reason not to play Johnson the last 5 weeks of the season. Alexei and Beckham shouldn't leave the bench. Sox gave up O to put Saladino and Sanchez out there. It didn't help the team. It helped some of Cooper's pitchers, but not the team.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 05:51 PM) The issue with trying to have Johnson, Sanchez and Saladino in the starting lineup potentially for next season is the lack of power. U.S. Cellular Field is a power-park, these guys are not power / RBI type hitters. You can have some of them in the lineup since they bring needed speed, defense and youth but I don't see how you can keep all of them even if Ramirez is let go. Mark Can't have Saladino at 3rd, that's for sure. Move Saladino or Sanchez to short. Johnson at 2B. No reason to believe he can't hit. Get rid of Cooper and Ventura.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 04:35 PM) Seriously, where would he play? There's no place for Micah Johnson on the White Sox. I hope they trade him before he has zero value. Second base. Zero value? He's not declining.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 04:13 PM) He still needs to at least be given the chance to hit righties this year. Exactly. And for as many at bats they give Laroche, Dunn and Melky against lefties - guys who have proven they can't hit them - they sure as heck can give Thompson some at bats against righties.

Call him up when he is out of rehab. Release Beckham and Alexei. Or do a waiver deal for Alexei. Matt Albers too....no reason to hang onto him and he should net a decent prospect. Sanchez at short.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 03:07 PM) If the Sox need to trade pitching, I would prefer to see what I can get for Rodon and/or Adams rather than trading Q. To me Q is now a proven #1/2 starter. I think it's hard to get fair value in return for him. I think there's a better chance at getting fair value for Rodon and/or Adams. I think Q is closer to a number three. Rodon can be an ace. Don't trade him. It should be quite easy to get fair value for Q. They know exactly what his value is. He's been consistent. They either pay it or they don't. It's about time the Sox trade off some veterans anyway. The org. is too sentimental as it is. Cubs had no problem dispatching Samardzija, e.g. Sox just had to hang onto Alexei over the winter.