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QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Oct 7, 2015 -> 05:40 PM) Trade Danks to Dodgers for Van Slyke and a low level minor leaguer Trade Micah, Beck, Avi, and Danish for Todd Frazier and JJ Hoover That would be a steal for Van Slyke. I fully expect some major hero worship on Todd Frazier this fall and winter. And the Reds will probably have him on the block. The reality is that, despite(or perhaps because of) his performance in the HR Derby, his 2nd half OPS was a dreadful c. .670. Not that I suspect this to dissuade the Sox: bad 2nd half splits never have before. He's also a bad defender (much worse than his metrics suggest). And if the Sox get him (and I dearly hope they don't), they'll pay more than you suggest for 2 years of his greatness.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 7, 2015 -> 10:38 AM) The fact that they are not blaming the manager means they are blaming the players. I expect a very active winter for the White Sox. How are they going to move bad players and get anything in return? They can start with letting Alexei walk, although that won't be easy, as absurdly sentimental as this organization is. Otherwise, the bad players are the vets the acquired last year. go young, please.

I have no objection if the Sox keep Shuck around. I think they need to take a step back anyway.

Don Ventura pretty clearly didn't like Guerra. They barely pitched him when he was up.

QUOTE (Big Hurtin @ Oct 6, 2015 -> 09:15 PM) I don't like the idea of Eaton in left. This team is power-starved enough as it is. They really need a slugger in LF. and thus Eaton should be traded. Sox could get a young third baseman and catcher for him. He and Trayce play the same position. Trayce is much better defensively.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 08:30 PM) Although, from a marketing persoective, Puig would at least stabilize the expected 20-25% dropoff in renewals after this season. You bring back the entire roster pretty much as is, along with Ventura, amd it could get as ugly as 30% lost. It's ridiculous for the Sox to make moves based on that. Yet, they are correct in one sense. This is a hero-worshiping fanbase. It's like they think one player can add 10+ wins to the ledger.

QUOTE (ron883 @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 05:49 PM) With Eaton having surgery on his throwing shoulder? Do you see him switching to the corner? I think trayce won the cf job for next year. The sox simply need to improve their defense. I can't see this not happening No 50/50 he's even back next year. Sox will do some major hero-worshiping in the offseason in a ridiculous attempt to counteract fan disinterest. Career years, veterans who made all star teams 2 years ago...come on down. it sold tickets last year, so double down this year. Todd Frazier and maybe even....Longoria. Elite! He was a sportscenter mainstay 3 years ago!! Put the package together now!

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 04:56 PM) Maybe Alexeis last ab. I certainly hope so.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 04:08 PM) With a top 10 first round pick and a comp pick for Shark this is a good year to go after a Heyward type player. No it isn't. you do that when you are ready to win. This is a good year to have 2 nice draft choices, for a team that desperately needs them.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 03:48 PM) If the Sox end up with the 11th pick after today this will probably be the most disappointing season I've ever witnessed in my time as a fan. The Sox have no business going after QO free agents anyway.

Nothing like a scapegoat. Must have been Parent who was overpitching Sale and who leaves Danks in game after game at least until he's pitched the Sox out of the game.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Oct 2, 2015 -> 07:26 AM) Would love to add a guy with previous manager experience to help Robin with the in-game stuff. After 3 seasons, you'd think he would learn some things... And then, what would Cooper do. Go back to just being pitching coach? Not a bad idea. He sure as heck can manage pitchers in-game.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 12:36 PM) They are signed to great deals, absolutely. That works in the Sox favor on what they could get back from other teams. Now, I don't think the Sox will do this. They'll try to craft some scenario where a 2016 team has a shot to surprise...and they'll probably fail again. Yep Now they could continue to build will still having a shot to surprise. But that would require trading, Quintama, Sale or Eaton. The Sox don't do such things. They're more likely to trade Trayce, the 2 johnsons and Fulmer for Todd Frazier and loudly proclaim we can dream again.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 02:02 PM) The 1964 sox won 99 games with tremendous pitching and hardly any hitting. Maybe that could work again. Defense too. Sox outfield defense is rancid. Trayce playing center would help a lot

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 01:05 PM) Farmer is just the absolute worst Agree. I like DJ though. Now get a new TV crew.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 04:14 PM) I don't know, but there are more quality 3B in baseball than there are quality C. Arenado? Frazier? Frazier, and his OPS There have got to be some young 3B in the upper levels that we can get for a reasonable price. just do proper scouting and evaluation this time. As for C, Pirates got their C for a bullpen pitcher. Astros got Conger for a bullpen pitcher. He basically sucks, but he sucks less than Flowers. The Sox awful OF defense hurt Samardizja, a fly ball pitcher, more than anyone. Now why the Sox were so hell bent on trading for a fly ball pitcher is another question.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 28, 2015 -> 11:35 PM) So how do we improve the crap lineup? Trade the guy we took No. 1 this year plus another prospect for an MLB catcher, sign a couple free agents while really truly trying to trade Duke, Melky and LaRoche. It makes no sense to trade Q if we are trying to win anything. Absolutely not. We need the pitching depth. there are a few ML catchers who can hit anyway. Once again , trade Eaton. And if he's as good as everyone thinks he is, fantastic. That means we'll get more for him.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 27, 2015 -> 03:15 PM) Sox are about to be 10 under .500. Just yesterday they were on that hot streak and were just a game under. It's taken consistently bad baseball to get to a season low of 10 under. All the Sox have to do is win 1 more and Don Ventura will have improved this team from 2015. Leadership = Progress

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Sep 27, 2015 -> 02:15 PM) Fire Robin. He's soooooo f***ing bad in all facets of the game. Cooper should walk arm in arm right there with him. He enabled Ventura. He's the one handling the pitchers...didnt' want a thing to do with EJ and now throws him 121 with expanded rosters.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Sep 27, 2015 -> 02:50 PM) Nice play by Saladino. Wouldn't mind seeing him at SS next year. His bat plays decent for the position as well. Should have played SS every day in September. but this org. as extreme little interest in developing youth.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 27, 2015 -> 10:33 AM) The Sox do have a playoff caliber pitching staff. I'm amazed that a Sox fan such as yourself would use ERA to try and prove that we have an average pitching staff after having watched games in which Sox pitchers allow "earned" runs that are clearly due to defensive miscues. The Sox are 8th in pitching fWAR and 1st in starting pitching fWAR. That looks like a playoff caliber staff to me. Marginal playoff caliber using your stats. All we need is a playoff caliber offense and defense and we're right there....just this close. And of course the defensive issues are in the OF, but oh lord help anyone who suggests moving Melky and Eaton. (Yes, I know, it's all on Avi).

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 27, 2015 -> 08:12 AM) I understand your aversion to veterans, but at some point you have to hold on to the young performing players. All you do is talk about flipping young players because of the boogeyman of veterans. Newsflash, veterans are on every team, even the young Cubs and the young royals and the young pirates. These other teams don't constantly flip their young players in order to acquire more, they hold on to them and build around them. That doesn't mean they shouldn't trade any young players if possible, but position players in this organization are few and far between, and now that the sox have one you want to flip him and hope that the return is equal. It probably won't be, and then the Sox will have to do something you hate to do, which is sign a veteran to plug a hole that was created for no reason. Quintana by far would generate the best return(outside of sale of course) and there is a player that is ready to step into his spot named Carlos Rodon. And what does this do? It creates opportunity for two young, homegrown players in Fulmer and Johnson. Okay - trade Quintana. No objection. But who takes Rodon's spot? Pass on rushing Fulmer (who needs to get his delivery straightened out) or Adams (who's a ways away). Of course teams have veterans. But winning teams aren't built with veterans. They plug a hole or two or provide depth. Building with vets is what the Sox tried to do and what the fans want them to do (I can't wait until Todd Frazier and Lucroy are put on the block this winter...the hero-worship will break records; and if someone mentions Longoria......). As for Eaton, I simply don't believe he plays to his offensive numbers. Thus, it would be a value trade. Thompson is a better CF than he is anyway. Okay, don't trade him for prospects. Trade him for an equivalent 3b. There's talent in this org. It needs time and the org needs more talent. You need a foundation first.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 26, 2015 -> 09:32 AM) Dude, prospects flop all the time. You trade Eaton for two of them you'll be lucky to even get one that turns out as good as him in the long-run. Sure, there's a small chance you end up with a better player or both prospects work out, but the odds are incredibly low. If you're going to take that gamble, you might as well trade the rest of your assets (Sale, Quintana, & Abreu) and straight-up rebuild, because you're pushing your timeline back another year or two. Of course prospects flop. But how have those veterans worked out? Look at the playoff teams. Which built their team by looting their farm and trading for veterans? The Sox have done that for years, and it has a 100% failure rate. Young talent wins. QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 26, 2015 -> 09:32 AM) As disappointing as this season has been, we still have a playoff caliber pitching staff in place. The Sox staff is 15th in team ERA. Middle of the pack. That said, the Sox have a lot of pitching talent in the low minors....which is another reason they can trade a veteran. As for the timetable, Hahn and Williams pushed that back with their inane signing and trades for declining veterans before the foundation had been laid. (letting Cooper and Ventura run the operation hasn't helped either). As it is, my top suggestion is to trade Eaton, not a pitcher.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 25, 2015 -> 12:13 PM) Santiago being an all-star was a fluke. He's the same old wild, 100 pitches thru 5 innings Santiago. We won the trade. Agree. The Sox improved 10 games making small trades of one young player for another. I still have no idea why they reversed course of the winter of 2014 and did moves for veterans that weakened the organization. Now they can move Eaton for probably two young promising players. Like a pinhooker- buy the Yearling and flipping for multiples of value at two.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 25, 2015 -> 09:54 PM) Why? Lots of blown saves. Terrible offense. Terrible defense. Terrible baserunning. Too many mental mistakes. Inconsistent execution. Lack of clear leadership and vision organizationally. All of this.