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QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 12:08 AM) Sanchez is now into positive WAR territory. He's absolutely earned the starting role at 2B headed into spring. If the ORG can bring in someone on the cheap that is a 4 WAR player well hell in that case forget Sanchez, but when that doesn't happen, start him. He's earned it. If he was more highly touted we'd be ecstatic about a slick fielding 23 year old 2B that seems to have a little pop in his bat as well. He's never gonna hit more than 270/320/400 but with his glove at 2B that's an above average starter in today's game. I'd like to see Sanchez get time it short for the rest of the season. His bat really is light for second base. I would also consider Thompson in left and let Melky DH. Avi is younger, hits just as well as Melky, and needs the work. Melky is shaping up as dead money himself.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 24, 2015 -> 10:41 PM) Amen brother. I wish they'd bring up Micah too and Davidson!! Play them. Why not?? Ask Robin and Cooper. Thompson is not only young, he's the hottest hitter on the team. And they won't play him regularly. Honestly, they should be trying to move some of these players through waivers to open up more spots for September. Guys like Alexei really need to sit.

Considering we gave up a draft choice, pay him more and signed him for more years, Melky was a far worse signing than Laroche. And yet, people act like Melky has done his job. He's been terrible.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 24, 2015 -> 01:19 PM) Only noticed this because of the highlighting in the last post, but I'm pretty sure Matt Albers cannot be "protected". He has more than 6 years of big league service time and is on a 1 year deal. He will file for free agency a few days after the world series and that will clear his 40 man roster spot, unless he is resigned to a contract extension before that date. Correct. He's pitching well. Hahn should trade him.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 24, 2015 -> 03:05 PM) For me it's Navarro in a runaway. He actually once complained about run support after a game he allowed 9 earned. One guy who is up there at least if you are talking home fans, Claudell Washington. Absolutely. Hated by whom? Other teams? Okay, maybe AJ. But by Sox fans? Not even close. And I'm with Dick - Navarro.

QUOTE (LDF @ Aug 23, 2015 -> 03:07 PM) i really thought some might have posted here. but oh well. i will start with this. Dan Jennings Pitcher - protect Jake Petricka Pitcher - protect Jeff Samardzija Pitcher - free agent / do not protect David Robertson Pitcher - protect Jose Quintana Pitcher - protect Carlos Rodon Pitcher - protect Zach Putnam Pitcher - protect Chris Sale Pitcher - protect Matt Albers Pitcher - protect John Danks Pitcher with his contract / do not protect Zach Duke Pitcher - protect Tyler Saladino - protect Trayce Thompson - protect Adam Eaton - protect Carlos Sanchez - protect J.B. Shuck - protect Jose Abreu - protect Avisail Garcia - protect Adam LaRoche with his contract / do not protect Gordon Beckham - do not protect, unless the fo needs him. Alexei Ramirez - protect Geovany Soto do not protect ////// undecided Melky Cabrera --protect Tyler Flowers - protect Frankie Montas Pitcher - protect Michael Ynoa Pitcher - protect Junior Guerra Pitcher - protect Chris Beck Pitcher - protect Scott Carroll Pitcher do not protect Erik Johnson Pitcher - protect Daniel Webb Pitcher - protect Kevan Smith do not protect Matt Davidson do not protect Leury Garcia - protect Adrian Nieto - protect Rob Brantly - protect Micah Johnson - protect going in, the sox has 38 players protected, with this new tally per my opinion i have added 8 more that i would not protect. the reason being, the young players that need to be added to the 40 man roster. I disagree with the ones in bold. But it kind of depends on who else needs protection. As for Leury, the Sox spent $6million on utility infielders this offseason. Until they wean off of the need for 2 utility infielders on the 25, he's the guy.

Okay, he's a young guy, and he's strong. But is still necessary to throw him the extra inning to get to 116? That must be how Robin/Cooper evaluate their starters - if they feel fine,they stay in, regardless of performance.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 23, 2015 -> 04:58 PM) Can't believe he let Danks start this inning That's how Ventura manages. Get those starters their 6. A decent manager would have pulled Danks in the 5th.

There was some movement today. Ryan Leonards was sent up to the Dash. Olacio down to the Intimidators

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 23, 2015 -> 11:28 AM) Agree the three needs that need to be addressed are RF, 3B, & C. If I'm Hahn, I'm all-in on adding a RF via free agency. Upton & Heyward would be my primary targets (I prefer Justin), but I'd be perfectly fine with Gordon as well if the years weren't ridiculous. Point is that it's incredibly rare in this day in age to have multiple stars who play the same position hit free agency at the same time, let alone two who are still in their late 20s. If we cut bait on Shark & Alexei, there is simply no reason we can't afford one of these guys. Why RF? LF is a far bigger problem. Avi is young, cheap and could improve and is hitting about the same as Melky. Melky Cabrera and his .706 OPS, high contract, and 2 remaining years, is a much bigger problem.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 23, 2015 -> 11:11 AM) Who do you have in mind, then? There aren't really many "good, young 3B" out there, and the ones who are out there are all-stars (Arenado, Machado). I don't know the orgs well enough to say. But overpaying for a career year will hurt the team. if you have to suck it up with Saladino, so be it. At least the D is there. I'd like to see Sanchez get work at short in September. See if Micah has improved his D...his bat should really work at 2nd. Go for improvements in the OF, DH and C instead. The Sox have 5 or so areas in which they could improve; there have to be young players somewhere. Someone mentioned a signing of Zobrist - that's an idea. Won't cost players.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Aug 23, 2015 -> 08:23 AM) Why does everyone want to trade Quintana? It doesn't make sense unless you're getting a guy like Frazier our Arenado in return, and even then, Q should be pretty much the entire package. His value is insane, and a package that was suggested earlier in this thread for just Arenado (which included Montas, Micah Johnson, and Adams) should, in addition to someone like Arenado, net the team a young, proven 125+ wRC+ catcher with great defense. If we're not getting something worth 5+ WAR and cost controlled for Q, then why not keep the trio of cost controlled lefties that are likely to produce 15-18 WAR at the top of the rotation for the next 4+ years? You get two decent starters behind that, and you have the potential for a 20-25 WAR rotation, which is a playoff rotation with even a decent bullpen and offense. You trade Quintana because a)is value is determinable; b)it would be selling high for a change; c)the Sox have a lot of young arms. Trading for Frazier is the precise type of move the Sox should NOT make. He's not a good defender (despite the metrics), he's approaching 30, and he's having a career year. I should say "was" as he's been absolutely horrible since July. Plus you'd have him for only 2 more years. Sox don't need an all star. Get a good young 3B; and trading Quintana, you could get that and a couple of really good prospects (or maybe a catcher).

Robin Ventura is deranged.

Someone suggested it somewhere - trade MIcah for a 3B. Anderson's a year away; Alvarez a little more than that I suppose. Saladino at least replaces the $6 million killer Bs.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Aug 21, 2015 -> 06:49 PM) Still think Q will be traded this winter. I would certainly consider it, but I don't think that they will. If Montas is reliever only, trade him before the rest of baseball grades him that way.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 21, 2015 -> 03:48 PM) Realistically, the only way we trade a Quintana is if we resign Samardjiza. Why? He's the guy we should trade before Rodon. His value is much easier to ascertain and he would bring back substantial pieces. Do we have to have a "proven veteran". Exactly how has that approach worked for the last decade. And if we trade Rodon it damn well better not be for some career year hero that people are all ga ga about.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 21, 2015 -> 12:02 PM) Quintana and Montas for Arenado- who says no? I think that's a slightly better deal for us, but I could be wrong. The Rockies do. That would be a good move for the Sox. We don't have that much pitching. And for sure don't trade it for the usual Williams/Hahn suspects.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Aug 20, 2015 -> 11:51 PM) I don't think so. He's managed to stay in baseball much longer. He has value as a utility player. Unfortunately guys like him get exposed when you have a weak hitting lineup. This Six have had bigger busts in the last 10 years. Broadway, Mitchell, the guy we traded for Thornton come to mind. Beckham has stuck around although That may just be a matter of the Sox keeping him around. We'll see if he gets picked up in the open market next year. You could also argue that Mitchell and Broadway werre bad reaches and never should've been drafted where they were.

Lead of the game with a double, and Ventura plays for 1 run. And if bunting is all Saladino's good for, then don't bat him 2nd. No Thompson, again. Ventura has decided he's a platoon hitter.

Any word on which Sox stiffs have cleared waivers? I assume Melky, Alexei, Laroche, Albers et al.

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 10:18 PM) So how does it work? As long as the sox make a qualifying offer and he rejects the sox are compensated with the signing teams first round pick? yes - IF someone signs him by a certain date (sometime in June I think).

So now Robbie and Cooper have Thompson platooning with 4th OF/AAAA Shuck. That's fine when you're still in it, but the Sox aren't. It's development time. Insist on it, Hahn.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 04:16 PM) Why would we trade Adam Eaton? He is one of the top 3 bats on the team and an above average offensive CF signed cheap You're right, but you have to trade something to get something. Good teams sell high. If the Sox have a replacement, that's what you do - sell high.

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 04:50 PM) How 'bout the fact that it would probably take Q? So, then the Sox would lose Shark AND Q? And replace them with who? What would take Q? Henley Ramirez, who the Bosox overpaid when he was available as a Free Agent? Get real. It would take taking his contract and a bag of balls. The hero worship of decent hitters in their 30s is beyond belief. No wonder the Sox keep acquiring these stiffs...just doing the bidding of much of the fanbase. You can see the irrationality when people discuss Avi (a problem) v. Melky (doing well) when the reality is they're hitting about the same (and the "problem" is young, cheap and could improve). The Sox need to find a C, 3B, 2b, SS, and OF. They don't need to fill all of those to contend, just 3 or 4. If they can't find a 3B, stick with Saladino. in the meantime, give the in-house young players a chance. it may take trading Q; it may take trading someone like Eaton for a young 3b. But what won't solve it is getting a bunch of Henleys, Melkys or Laroches.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 18, 2015 -> 04:12 PM) I think we have the three starting OF spots filled. But, Thompson might be a good 4th OF option. Now if we make a change at the DH things might be different and spots open up Filled in what sense? To win a division? Doubtful. They need to play Thompson - see what they have. They could get a nice return for Eaton, if Thompson could replace him. Don't think they can afford not to have power at the 2 corner spots, esp with nothing from C, 2B and 3B (although that will obviously have to change to contend). They're stuck with Melky although I guess he can DH. Much bigger anchor than Avi.