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QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 16, 2015 -> 09:51 PM) I would be very disappointed if the centerpiece for Shark is a pitcher. They have to start getting some hitters in here. As we see this year, what good is having a rotation of 4 good-great starting pitchers is you can't score runs. I agree with Balta. Give it a week. There really is no rush rush right now. Well if they weren't going to trade him by tomorrow, there really is no rush. Best player available. Nothing wrong with stockpiling young pitching...can move it for young hitting as well. Sox don't have that much pitching anyway. In fact, now that Montas is called up, they don't have a top prospect pitcher anywhere near the majors (I'm discounting E Johnson; his stats are so good, that to have not been called up tells me they don't think he can beat major league hitting).

How is it that Schwarber and Gallo, two players who also aren't very good defenders at their chosen positions, can go out and play some outfield without much problem?

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 16, 2015 -> 06:45 PM) If the Sox potentially see him as a reliever long-term, maybe other teams do too. What if the Sox were showcasing him to package him with Samardzija to a team that needs a starter and another reliever? That would certainly have to interest Houston and Toronto into giving something real up. A couple of appearances won't prove anything one way or the other. Sox have plenty of effective relievers to trade. He's a top 100 prospect- not the guy to trade.

I still like dealing with Astros, if they'll give up some of their good guys. I'd take Appel, whom they seem to be tiring of, for Shark. Coop could straighten him out.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 16, 2015 -> 02:52 PM) How about they just hire a professional broadcaster as the TV PBP guy? Where you really need a professional is in the radio booth. Including the Sox. Farmer is dull and has little to say. Hawk's problem is that he's too obnoxious in his homerism; and his moodiness detracts as well.

"He equated name recognition with talent and paid the price. " yep, I think Preller set the world record for hero-worship. And a tale of the perils of hero worship. A lot of posters hereon were pining for Upton and Kemp.

Let's hope so. Dump Hawk and Farmer.

Well I guess one Adam Dunn deserves one Nolan Sanburn. I expect Albers to be called up soon. If they didn't care about him, they just would have let him have his week off with Charlotte. Sent him to Birmingham presumably to get some work in.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 15, 2015 -> 08:42 PM) Ahh my bad. That explains it then. I expect Montas and Saladino to head back after Friday's DH Certainly hope not. No reason Saladino shouldn't be starting at 3B most nights. Who are they putting there - Beckham?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 15, 2015 -> 08:14 PM) Yeah, I don't think that is it at all. Thinking big picture, they have called up Beck, Carroll, Junior Guerra, and now Montas... but not Johnson. Call me crazy, but that means something. I wouldn't be surprised to see Johnson involved in one of these deadline deals. Just a hunch. Yea, something is up with that.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 15, 2015 -> 07:45 PM) Holy F***. yes, it's OPS. Put another way, if I liked Lucroy and wanted to replace the catcher, yes that would be a beneficial deal for the Sox to replace a 1/2 year rent of Shark with 2.5 of Lucroy. That more than accommodates a necessary discount for his terrible year. But the Brewers wouldn't sell him for that discounted price. They would want current year totally ignored.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 15, 2015 -> 06:48 PM) So you wouldn't swap Samardzija for Lucroy? That's not realistic. Brewers don't need Samardzija. Lucroy has an OPS of .631 this year, coming off of an injury. They won't let him go for anywhere near a .631 value, and I, not a hero worshiper, don't like paying for past production. I like the way Flowers is working with these pitchers- framing and such. I was mistaken - it's 2.5 more years.

QUOTE (BigFinn @ Jul 15, 2015 -> 06:17 PM) Do you think that the Sox could get some younger prospects for Samardzija and flip them to Milwaukee for Jonathan Lucroy? Hope not. Off injury, terrible year, free agent in 2017.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 15, 2015 -> 03:13 PM) That 2/3 of an inning is a sufficient sample size to say he's a bust, clearly. Not a bust; just may not be ready.

15 scouts at his last outing, and he throws a complete game shut out. What more could they want if the goal is to trade him? I doubt they trade him.

The draft is like hitting a baseball. You will get a lot more outs than hits, but if you are skilled and have a good approach, you will be successful. A lot of high draft choices bust. Conor Gillaspie, e.g., was a first round draft choice, but the team that drafted him has won 3 WS since. I read that Tampa hasn't had a player drafted in rounds 1-10 succeed in the majors since the 2007 draft.

When has buying old veterans ever worked? Youkilis is the only one I can remember and we gave up next to nothing for him, as Valentine channeled Ozzie in his ferocity in wanting the player off his team. (The subsequent Williams moves for veterans that year didn't help at all.) Aramiz Ramirez is 37 and has an OPS of .692. Difference maker or silly hero worship?

.325 is not a good OBP for a power hitter. His walks are up this year, but his homers are down, his doubles are down from 2013 (I'll ignore 2014). Gone down this road too many times without learning a lesson.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 12:33 PM) Scott Merkin ‏@scottmerkin 2h2 hours ago Just wondering if Frank Montas will be the 26th man added by the White Sox for Friday's doubleheader with the Royals. Purely a guess on my part but White Sox, while still feeling in playoff contention, also starting to infuse their prospects to Majors Before David Robertson was added, there was some talk that Montas could figure into White Sox closer equation this season. Montas just got exposed in the Futures Game. Throws 100 MPH with no movement and unreliable secondary pitch. He needs more work. Johnson is the candidate, after Bonifacio is DFAd As for depth, Hahn just dealt 3 roster guys to rent one player for 1 year. Frankly, I want to see Saladino and Micah up the rest of the year. Neither is really the 3B of the future, but they could be 2B. See if Sanchez can play SS as well as he can 2B. Saladino had some good swings over the weekend. Even Sanchez is waking up, albeit slowly. If someone wants Laroche's salary and give a B prospect, send him on his way.

QUOTE (Whitewashed in '05 @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 10:48 PM) Every quote I read from Yost just screams that he wants to put Sale at a disadvantage this weekend. Everything from the world wants to see him pitch to talking Ventura into letting him pitch. Both bulls*** and Robin is an idiot especially considering he let him go another inning the other day when he had just come off a CG. Whatever Yost's motivations, it's reasonable for him to want Sale to pitch an inning. And there was no reason for Ventura to send him back out there...he's overpitched Sox starters all year long, especially Sale. And the front office is abetting his nonsense.

Give up on a young player 2 years left on deal expensive; average defensively Low OBP High K another stopgap We've seen this act before and it's an approach that has consistently FAILED.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 02:42 PM) Avi has proven a pretty useless major league piece at this point. He is weak hitting, atrocious fielding corner outfielder who doesnt walk and strikes out a bunch. He has been below replacement level for his career thus far. I would rather have the "proven veteran" with the 100 pt higher ISO manning a position that requires you to be a power hitter. Avi needs to improve - and he certainly may. He needs to pull the ball some. Sox would rarely develop a young player given the patience for them in these parts. But I've seen so many of these veterans on their even or downward plane, immediately trend downward fast. The contract is heavy and he'd cost more than Avi. Patching with veterans has failed miserably.

Excellent. One of my favorites. Don't know how good he is, but just like the way he pitches and mound presence based on the youtube videos.

Trade for young players? Develop young players. Like Avi, before jettisoning him for that "proven veteran" Bruce is a good hitter, but a)will it continue and b)his D is average. Better than Avi, but average. The Sox farm system hasn't been overly productive, but it's been a lot more productive than Kenny Williams' trades for those "proven veterans".

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 02:15 PM) The Reds want to trade Bruce to shed salary and you're going to to offer them two underperforming guys that would significantly increase their payroll? i.e. he believes (wisely) that we should not trade for Bruce.