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I read through the chat. Cameron really is arrogant and rude. He's an expert on personal finance, too, apparently.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 02:35 PM) That was 111, so if 113 is too much, yanking him with 111 after 125 his previous outing and a $14 million a year closer coming in makes a ton of sense. It was a day game, his 3rd or 4th game in a row where he went well over 100, and he was in trouble. The pen was fresh. There was no reason to leave him out there.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 02:32 PM) They're cleaning house in October. Doubtful The dugout - maybe. But not the house. I dont' see the point, however, of firing the inept Ventura now, without addressing the other coaches as well as Hahn, Williams, Laumann and Bell.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 02:26 PM) The complaints for not pulling him were 100% pitch count. When does Ventura ever pull a starter when he is in trouble before the designated inning/pitch count point?

QUOTE (shysocks @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 02:17 PM) Guys, it's 113 pitches. He's a grown-ass man. Relax. Was he effective? Pitch count isn't the only reason to pull a pitcher.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 02:07 PM) Kind of feels like we are forcing this record and not being respectful to the sport a bit. They're doing this for some arcane record? This is one hero-worshiping organization. Even the Cubs don't do that nonsense.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 02:04 PM) He's a f***ing moron why the f*** would you leave Chris in today but not the other night... The same reason he won't pull Danks. He manages in a box. Sale has been hard pitched the last month. This is day game, and Ventura wants to pitch his arm off. And where's cooper in all of this. He's another one who's rep doesn't seem to comport with results.

Ventura's unbelievable.

I see the sun times is ripping Eaton for that episode of baserunning. Pull Sale Ventura.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 01:49 PM) 53 at bats for Avi since he had an extra base hit He needs to go to Charlotte.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 08:57 PM) Anderson done for the game - 2-3, 3B, 2B, K. Austin also done - 1-2, K. The leadoff hitter for the SAL South is John Johnson. Who does that to their child? There was a guy named John John. And he was the III. Crain is an extreme longshot...about the same as most AZL players, I would think.

A reasonable comp with Samardzija is Garza 2 years ago. The Cubs received: Olt - top 50 prospect, but in serious decline Grimm - a 5th starter type Edwards - close to top 100 pitcher, but a bullpen guy Ramirez - another promising young pitcher At the time, the Cubs fans claimed it to be some massive haul, although it never looked like it to me.

Gracious, more declining veterans again? Too bad we didn't load up for Matt Kemp last year.

Astros and Cubs weren't build through the proceeds of sell-offs. They were built through the draft. Oh, they got pieces here and there through trades (esp. Cubs), but it's evaluation, development and drafting. The Sox are poor at all 3. The only team that sells well is the As.

Every fricking game.

How many times did the Sox have multiple hits in an inning last night and not score.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 04:18 PM) your own scouting. And therein lies the real Sox problem, along with lack of development. So, frankly, I'd rather have a player another team has scouted and developed.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 04:15 PM) And that's why I said that if you're insisting on a guy who's MLB ready right now...that's going to make that very tough. Tough, but not impossible. I go back to the Pirates getting the catcher from the Yanks for a bullpen pitcher - and in December. Yanks have a lot of catchers. Find some surplus. Widen the horizons beyond dealing with Friends of Williams. Knowing the Sox, they may just sell him off. Who knows.

This is a bottom 1/4 system at this time. A developed Micah Johnson as #2 (or even #5) tells you that. Lots could change between now and then, primarily based on what happens in the rookie leagues and A ball. Adolpho could really blossom, e.g.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 04:03 PM) His walk rate is actually down, but his strikeout, fly ball, and line drive rates are all the worst of his career as a starter. That's not on the defense, he's getting hit harder and striking out fewer players. If I'm looking at his line, I'm more than a little nervous and frankly looking at his line this year makes me extra-glad the Sox didn't extend him. Right, but as a rent, all teams need him for his this year. Rents are much cleaner transactions. Teams will pay more value than 1/2 a year of a good pitcher. What 1/2 a year of a good pitcher gets is another question. You have to hunt - find vulnerabilities of other teams and find places where they are overstocked and might overpay.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 03:58 PM) I want to stress more here...I did not say that. I was replying to a specific note saying that teams might think some of his struggling was due to the poor team around him...with the important point that those same teams will say "but things he can control, like striking guys out and getting the ball weakly hit, are down too". That bodes well for moving Putnam, whom we can replace with Webb, who is about to come into his own.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 09:08 AM) They have lots of depth, it's just not quality depth. And therein lies the problem... Just like our "bounty of middle infielders." Kevan Smith, Kottaras, Brantly, Nieto, Austin (Rodon's teammate), etc. Well it's time to move some dead weight and bullpen pitchers and see what some of these guys have. Kottaras at least hits like he belongs in the majors. Guerra and others who are/were at Charlotte pitch like it too.

QUOTE (BamaDoc @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 08:40 AM) I watched last night CWS games and started thinking outside the box. I know it wouldn't be done due to egos and the risks/embarrassment of failure but look at Vanderbilt pre Corbin. Vandy was a program with no history and one of the greatest disadvantages in recruiting there could be. Many of you may not realize that most baseball scholarships are fractions of a full ride. At Vandy if you are on a third or half ride you must come up with the rest of the money. That extra is often 20-30k just in tuition. That cost severely limits your player pool. Academic requirements are substantial and most academic scholarships start with needing about 32 on an ACT. They have other scholarships available and they use it on baseball players. These players are not ACT 32s. Private schools have always done will in baseball. Stanford, Miami, Rice, Vandy have won NCs. (not to mention USC). Tulane, TCU have made multiple CWS. Many of the disadvantages that academic schools face in football and basketball don't exist in baseball, despite the tuition challenge. A recent former college baseball coach is now managing the Padres. But I like your idea.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 07:59 AM) If you're going to rip on Ventura and the coaching staff, please do. They deserve it. But use reasons that actually are valid and important. I think it's a legitimate point. The manager took a 4 day weekend (1 off day), from a team that is struggling. Go to the graduation then come back. You can miss 1 game. It's not like the birth of a child where a few days is needed. But it falls more on the front office for letting him do it. Back to the subject, Hahn needs to start moving some of these players.

QUOTE (harkness @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 10:24 PM) Are you serious? Roberston is tied for the AL lead in blown saves. He has not had an excellent year... not even close. I guess you measure starters by how many losses they have. .84 WHIP, 12+Ks/9 is an excellent year.