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QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 11:24 PM) What? After his last start? Call up a journey man for the future ace-2 of this staff. No thanks. A lot of you are biting into this Guerra hype, just like a lot of you were biting on Wilkins' hype last year. I think they're completely different. For one thing, trust AAA pitching numbers much more than AAA hitting numbers. If Rodon's not developing his change, he's not going to be an ace. Thus, Charlotte.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 10:38 PM) But name another team in which he'd be a starter? Are there any? He's actually way worse than DeAza. That's absurd. Eaton's 2014 was better than any full season of De Aza.

Junior Guerra to the bullpen? Send him put and let him start. Send Rodon down to learn the changeup.

Pitch him against just lefties and see what he does. Yes I know the small sample size says he's better against righties (although Ventura bringing him in against the right handed heart of the Astros' order on Sat probably blew that up).

Here comes the hero-worship. He's the greatest ever. The elite, the best of the best. Trade every decent prospect we have for one player. Go for it! And if we still suck, we'll still have a hero. Who cares about defensive holes on half the diamond, back end of the rotation, underachieving veterans, and utility-ceiling bench. One player will solve the problems. Or you can build an organization and get these players on their upward trajectory without giving away all the young players, as so many are want to do.

Adding more declining veterans (i.e. this list) will just create more problems. This team's defensive lapses have been a big contributor to the poor start; this is a groundball pitching staff. You cannot back these pitchers up with an infield clown show. Yet, people can't wait to do it. These are the kind of players that put the Sox into this mess. Pass The Sox need to add some of their own to the list

Philosophically: Bring in young talent. Develop young talent Stop bringing in hitters on their downward cycle. Stop wasting scarce resources on utility level talent. Practically: Market Laroche, Samardzija and Alexei for good young hitters, who can also play D, regardless of position. Anyone in the bullpen is movable. The most likely is Duke. Move Danks to the pen Send Rodon to Charlotte to work on the changeup Bring up Junior Guerra. Watch Drabek and maybe bring him up if he can get his walks down.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ May 30, 2015 -> 05:37 PM) Really think it is DFA time for him it is just not working out. Bad? He's the Designated hitter batting 2nd. you don't put a bad hitter in that spot...

In the annals of Ventura clownsmanship, bringing in a situational lefty to face the 2 RH Astros power hitters may just lead the pack.

1. Hitter 2. No Fulmer 3. No bullpen pitchers

Peavy was also considered an injury risk and was 2 years older and was clearly on the decline plane of his career. When Samardzija had 1.5 years left on his contract, his price was much more than Peavy with 1.5 years left on his contract. Plus, Samardzija comes with a comp pick. Peavy didn't Thus an estimate that Samardzija with 1/2 years = Peavy with 1.5 years. If anything, more.

QUOTE (oldsox @ May 29, 2015 -> 10:46 PM) Gordo at $2mm per is still one of the ten worst contracts in MLB. Where does $3 mill* for Bonifacio rank then? + an option at the bargain price of $4 mill, with a $1 mill buyout

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 29, 2015 -> 02:47 PM) Samardzija will have value, but nowhere near the amount of value to get anything in the neighborhood of Addison Russell. Even if he rebounds, he's a pending free agent now, and he's the third best option on the market. Yes, but the good thing is that #s1 and 2, Cueto and Hammel, will command an Addison Russel...thus, Samardzija is #1 in the affordable category. Should be something around a Peavy return. As for SS, we could play Garcia or maybe even Saldino there (he's playing SS in Charlotte, for a reason I would presume).

He stroke seems more compact. Maybe the Angels corrected than in that 6 weeks he was there.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 29, 2015 -> 11:03 AM) I know Carroll doesn't have any ceiling to speak of, but he has done great work in his time as a middle and long reliever. I wouldn't have thought it before, but I am willing to keep running him out there until he proves otherwise. 1.55 WHIP 3.6 K/9 Just as soon give someone else a shot.

Junior Guerra has been the most productive pitcher at AA or AAA this year. Those high K totals suggest maybe his is a late, late, late bloomer.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 29, 2015 -> 10:24 AM) I was referring to the Addison Russell trade as the universally accepted overpay. I don't think we overpaid for Samardzija at all. We didn't overpay, but it was still not a good decision for a 73 win team to trade for a rent QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 29, 2015 -> 09:50 AM) For a year an a half of a pitcher pitching much better. We're selling a worse version for just a couple months. And everyone in the world thought that was an overpay in the first place. It's not a worse version; he never was an ace. He got off to a bad start, but in another couple of weeks his numbers will be near identical to what they were with the Cubs. It's just 1 year less on the contract. I certainly wouldn't sign him for the numbers bandied about. I think we can get more value than a comp pick is worth. Alexei needs to get his act together. I never expected him to replicate last season (which is why he should have been moved in December) but putting on clown shows really depresses value. I like Laroche and think he has a lot of value; I also think we cannot go through another season with both Garcia and Cabrera in the OF, so one of those guys can DH. If no one will pay his value, keep him. Are we going to get elite prospects for these guys? No. But we have a hard time finding basic competence at positions, so we might be able to really improve.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 28, 2015 -> 03:15 PM) Doug Padilla ‏@ESPNChiSox 2m2 minutes ago Scott Carroll optioned. Chris Beck added to the roster for Game 2. It's about time. Plenty of pitchers having good years in Charlotte - see what they can do.

QUOTE (Mike F. @ May 3, 2015 -> 06:58 PM) Maybe Ramirez, LaRoche, Bonifacio, Samardzija, etc just to name a few. Who do you think the Sox will trade if they decide to sell? Plenty Laroche (Cardinals) Samardzija (numerous teams). Alexei Duke All would bring value Sign samardzija in the offseason if we want (although he isn't an ace) QUOTE (StRoostifer @ May 28, 2015 -> 09:11 AM) Trading Shark and/or Alexei will not replenish the farm, they just do not hold that kind of value. The only way is for the Sox to entertain the idea of trading one or more of their core players which I doubt happens. Like I said, just have to ride it out and see what winter brings. They absolutely would bring value. "rebuild the farm" of course not. Value? Yes. Waiting until winter further diminishes value - there are contenders now who need a SS.

Good gracious, if he's good, there's plenty of room for him in this organization. Lord help we actually have 2 outfielders or some depth.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 26, 2015 -> 07:51 PM) Tried getting him to qualify for win. Should have never let him face Donaldson again. He's given up 6 runs - let's make sure he gets that hard-earned win.

The pen is rested. Same nonsense as last year - Ventura refuses to pull Danks until he implodes.

Absolutely do NOT fire Steverson. He's the only non-insider on this staff. He uses a modern approach. It's not his fault Kenny loads this team with stiffs. He got a lot out of the younger players like Abreu, Eaton (at least last year) and Avisail this year. Gillaspie improved too. Get rid of Bell. And let Hahn handle all personnel.

What was that, 6 pitches to get through the 9th? Throws a complete game with less than 90 pitches. And our hitting coach is a take-pitches and walks philosophy. Something's not right.

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 25, 2015 -> 06:22 PM) I was definitely one of Surkamp's bigger fans but I think it's silly to make any judgement on the return. Unless you saw something I didn't there's next to no information on Smith as a pitcher. Surkamp's ceiling was very limited, who knows what Smith's is. At best Smith's a bullpen pitcher. Most likely an org guy. Sox have Noesi, Carrol, and Danks taking up space. Should try some of these AAA guys.