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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 6, 2015 -> 04:30 PM) And a long line of White Sox pitching castoffs "fixed" by Don Cooper. Exactly how long a list is that really? And if you consider how many castoffs were fixed for more than a year, the list gets really short. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 6, 2015 -> 02:41 PM) Thompson didn't even get a September call up in a lost 2014 season. Has that much changed in a month of baseball? I doubt it. You're probably right, but this is an organization that has long preferred (as long as KW is in charge) utility level talent and declining veterans to young players with less than exemplary credentials. And that's been true even in lost years.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 6, 2015 -> 01:47 PM) Hope he clears. I don't know if he's ever been outrighted, but he is a lot better insurance in Charlotte than previous seasons' versions. Agree

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ May 5, 2015 -> 09:33 PM) Rondon 2014 as a RHH: .303/.352/.576 LHH: .220/.297/.242 2015 as a RHH: .389/.389/.667 LHH: .170/.290/.170 That doesn't include tonight's homer which came as a RHH. Time to ditch switch-hitting? One would think. Can't be any worse against right handers batting from the right side, could he? If all he had was those RHH numbers, he'd be a top 10 prospect.

Well, there's Robinson Leyer. Ugh

Non-stop clowning on the base paths is another trait of the Ventura era.

Anyone know the whereabouts of Robinson Leyer?

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ May 5, 2015 -> 01:33 PM) Here's Keith Law's updated top 100: It's insider content. As usual, let me know if you want the article. http://espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/insider/post?id=3896 Highlights: 1. Brendan Rodgers SS Lake Mary HS 2. Kevin Newman SS Arizona 3. Dansby Swanson SS Vanderbilt 4. Dillon Tate RHP UC Santa Barbara 5. Kolby Allard LHP Sam Clemente HS 6. Alex Bregman 2B LSU 7. Ian Happ OF Cincinnati 8. Garrett Whitley CF HS NY 9. Walker Buehler RHP Vanderbilt 10. Kyle Tucker Plant HS Tampa Bay, FL 11. Kyle Funkhouser RHP Louisville 12. Mike Nikorak RHP HS PA 17. Daz Cameron 16. Tyler Jay LHP Illinois 19. Mike Matuella RHP Duke 20. Nate Kirby LHP Virginia 26. Brady Aiken 30. Jacob Nix 39. Phil Bickford 44. Carson Fulmer 52. Justin Hooper LP De La Salle HS Good - several position players we could take.

yes, I think the lack of veterans who can't play is the problem with this team.

Lord help they shake up the lineup. Abreu belongs in #4 anyway.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ May 4, 2015 -> 04:36 PM) And he should have been moved a couple years ago. I just don't understand Hahn's direction here. It's like he invested a ton of money to go from really bad to just mediocre with limited upside. I'm generally pretty optimistic, but I just can't stand to watch a team that can't play defense. It's highly questionable that this is Hahn's direction. Williams rarely had a stout defensive team and when they did they peeled them away. Ramirez certainly should have been traded this offseason but the Sox don't sell high or reasonably high unless it's fruitless to do otherwise. Micah should get some outfield work and Sanchez should be up and Rodon down. Trade shark and alexei (once rehabilitated) and maybe even Quintana.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ May 4, 2015 -> 04:36 PM) And he should have been moved a couple years ago. I just don't understand Hahn's direction here. It's like he invested a ton of money to go from really bad to just mediocre with limited upside. I'm generally pretty optimistic, but I just can't stand to watch a team that can't play defense. It's highly questionable that this is Hahn's direction. Williams rarely had a stout defensive team and when they did they peeled them away. Ramirez certainly should have been traded this offseason but the Sox don't sell high or reasonably high unless it's fruitless to do otherwise. Micah should get some outfield work and Sanchez should be up and Rodon down.

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 4, 2015 -> 02:12 PM) That's a good way of putting it. A lot of guys on here are coming out of the woodwork, making assumptions and losing their cool just looking for scapegoats to protect their golden boy. KW's fingerprints were all over the offseason moves. They look like Williams' philosophy, executed by Hahn, to me. ( how many times, how many times, has Williams loaded the Wagon for his "Ace" starter? ). The only really productive trade Williams made as GM since 2008 was for Youkalis. The only really top defensive team we've had was 2005; and then we gutted the defense. I don't know what Hahn can or can't do because I don't think we've seen it, other than the execution of the trades, which has been fine.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 30, 2015 -> 02:40 PM) That is pretty much what he said about Sale. Delivery's worse than Sale; 1/2 foot shorter than Sale; much harder used than Sale; Sale wasn't picked in the 8th pick. And perhaps Sale and LIncecum are the exception And - a ML ready starter (and certainly not a bullpen pitcher) shouldn't be the priority anyway.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 4, 2015 -> 01:53 PM) Thankfully they only traded one player (Semien) that I think could be an average starting player in the majors. They also traded him from the only position of depth within in the system. Hahn did a very good job this past offseason of not trading away potential core players. Perhaps true, but the point is that forcing "going for it" in 2015 was silly coming off of a 73 win season. It also caused the Sox to do other things like putting together a poor bench...AGAIN so as not to risk young players, etc.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 4, 2015 -> 10:01 AM) http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-white-s...oming-decision/ I basically agree with the article. It was way premature to trade for rents.

No Fulmer

The bench should have been Bonifacio or beckham....not both. And shuck is no different than junior danks. No help at all in the bench. Get Sanchez up here and let Micah play some OF or send him down. And they cut Carroll at the end of last year and suddenly he's the first guy they call up.

The bench should have been Bonifacio or beckham....not both. And shuck is no different than junior danks. No help at all in the bench. Get Sanchez up here and let Micah play some OF or send him down.

Shuck is not a major league hitter. But he can pinch run and that's what's important on a White Sox bench.

Robin would wait til it's 7-6 before making a move

Where has Robinson Leyer been?

I realize the Sox as an organization have an enduring love for veteran utility players, to let Bonifacio block Sanchez would be beyond belief. Should Gillespie and Micah be doing some occasional outfield work anyway?

QUOTE (Butter Parque @ May 2, 2015 -> 04:20 PM) Sorry, I seem to like Rick Hahn's moves when they are initially completed, but he bares a helluva lot of responsibility for this mess. Shark is terrible, Gillaspie is terrible, Flowers is terrible, Danks & Noesi suck, the bench stinks, Rodon is being handled horribly, and this might be the worst coaching staff in baseball. KW's fingerprints were all over most of the moves, especially the rent of shark.

Look at those hitters in the 9th. That is not a major league lineup (but let's trade young players for more rents, kW). Sox haven't had a real hitter on the bench in a decade. Pinch runners, utility players....everything but a decent bat. Oh and call up Sanchez

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 30, 2015 -> 09:24 PM) I actually think Hahn should start over while a completely new, non-Sox related major league staff. Because it's going to be a lot easier to change the coaches than the players. If they are so worried about Sale and Rodon going down to elbow surgery they tell Tyler not to call for sliders in key situations...this team wont ever go anywhere. At best, both would be like Francisco Liriano post-surgery with that type of philosophy. I agree that there is way too much insiderism in this organization. But what you suggest would also require getting rid of Williams because he's the one who has loaded the boat with insiders. Is that really true? They aren't calling or sliders from those 2? They are worried about a Rodon injury? And what is Sale w/o a slider?