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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 11, 2014 -> 02:57 PM) I geuinely think you are the only White Sox fan who could find anything wrong with this deal at all. Just pointing out factors. If Jennings and his 1.5 WHIP was on this team, you guys would want to cut him.

QUOTE (bear_brian @ Dec 11, 2014 -> 02:50 PM) It would seem problematic to lose Viciedo without having a ready replacement. Ideally we would want someone who hits at least as well, is superior defensively, and someone who also could play the other outfield positions. If we are limited now in terms of budget, how about one of the following: 1. Aoki at $6M per year and Bonifacio at $3M; that's a net increase of about $4.5M. I know a lot of you don't like either guy, but money now seems to be an issue. Both are passable, are versatile position-wise (both could actually play CF), bring more speed to our lineup, and remove the spectre of both Leury Garcia and Jordan Danks as alternatives. 2. Rasmus (who is asking for over $11M per), but at a salary of about $8M. That still leaves Danks as a backup (I know we have Shuck, but he was dreadful last year), but gives us a versatile defender with some power, tho with lots of K's. 3. ??? - you tell me: Crawford for Danks, Viciedo for Dominic Brown, Ichiro?? None of those are very pleasant. Bonifacio can't hit - he had one decent hitting year out of 8 ML seasons. Terrible. I'd prefer Danks to him. Aoki isn't a good defender. Rasmus is kind of a head case; no feel for his defense. Ichiro can't hit. Dom Brown is a worse defender than Vic. I was for that swap until the Sox signed their DH. Looks like Carl Crawford stands tall against this bunch. Lillian's Ethier would look okay.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 11, 2014 -> 02:49 PM) One of our writers (Will Siskel, not me) is going to do a post on the Rule V results sometime today. Will go out over Twitter, FB and on here when it's up. Or did you mean the rules for the draft? Yea I just meant the rules- what makes someone eligible for the minor league phase and what a team has to do with them to keep them.

The wildcard for Detroit is Scherzer. I think the Sox got the un-hyped version of Iglesias- Rondon. Bosox hype machine begins in AA

Well good My fav KAnny follow lives. North do u have some write up of minor League phase of rule 5 eligibility somewhere?

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 11, 2014 -> 10:47 AM) Idk, I'd say the Dodgers are look roughly as good as last year, despite losing Hanley, and they've done it without trading ANY significant prospects and also cutting significant payroll. What they've lost in offense they've gained back in defense. And that's why they brought in this 10 mill front office....they want that payroll down without sacrificing on the field. Friedman is good at that.

QUOTE (La Marr Hoyt HOF @ Dec 10, 2014 -> 08:44 PM) C, OF, 3B, go ......................... You missed the #2 need. A fourth starter. And a LF. C (a defensive position) and 3B aren't holes. We have made the moves this year giving up secondary players. That's what the Sox should give up with still a 2nd tier farm and a building team.

It wouldn't surprise me if Rienzo has a good major league career. He has a plus pitch. I don't think the Sox liked him though. Jennings walks too many. Bad WHIP. We'll see.

If PUtnam were on another team, people would love for the Sox to get him. (Just like they reactions to the Heaney deal, when the very people laughing at the Rays want to trade Montas for far less than Dee Gordon). He pitched a total of 12.2 innings prior to last season. Last year, he had a 1.08 WHIP in 54.2 innings. Yes it was probably inflated, but still good. You need guys like that in your bullpen - waiver pick ups, non-top prospects. I don't understand trading Viciedo for a relief pitcher. We should have that covered. Plus, who exactly plays LF? There is absolutely nothing on the roster. Nothing. Maybe Gillaspie could move there, but I would think they would have given him some action there last September. I'll say this about Viciedo's D - his coverage is poor, but he has a great arm.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 11, 2014 -> 11:34 AM) Leyer, pitcher went to Cincy. The one that starts with e. I actually liked Robinson Leyer- thought he had potential.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 10, 2014 -> 08:17 PM) Andrew Heaney for Dee Gordon and his .324 .OBP? What the hell are the Marlins doing? A poster above suggested that the Sox trade Montas and Sanchez for Dee Gordon. I wouldn't do either one of the deals but that's not a universal opinion

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 10, 2014 -> 04:08 PM) In Nieto's case, the team had a very real need. And that pick was still a mistake IMO, he was obviously not ready, though he wasn't quite as bad as I thought he'd be. The worst part was he basically lost a year of development, while not providing anything on the roster that existing players in the system couldn't have done just as well. I guess you're altruistic. But for me, he wouldn't have been developing with the Sox, so I'm glad we took him. 14 was a lost year before the season started - they basically gave Konerko a courtesy spot on the roster, so why not use another spot. It did put a lot of pressure on Flowers though.

Just as likely 28 other teams as us for the 3rd leg in a trade involving Rollins; especially as Philly would want young player back.

maybe a bullpen pitcher. Maybe an OF- right now J Danks makes the roster and it wouldn't take much to do better than that. The Sox won't be able to just reserve a spot for someone they think will be ready in 2 years like they did last year though.

They have to do something about left field. As it stands now, Viciedo is 4th OF Danks is 5th OF and that is a bad situation. I'd flip him for Ackley if that's the best they can do.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 10:54 AM) So if you trade Danks, leaving Sale-Shark-Q at the front of the rotation, you now have to fill two slots with some combo of Noesi, Beck, and/or someone you acquire in the meantime. That is a steep drop-off. Rodon can be a 4th, but they are making it sound like he's in the pen to start (or AAA). The other considerable pitching prospects (Montas, Danish, Adams, etc.) are not ready, and the guys between like Recchia are not likely to be much more than #5 guys. You have no room for error. You'd need to find another starter, maybe a McCarthy or someone like that. I don't think you want to go into 2014 Opening Day with Beck, Recchia or anyone else at that level in the rotation if it can be avoided. Both may be more ready later, but neither are now IMO. I'd pass on this trade, although a 4/5 of Danks/Noesi is pretty weak as it is. I'd expect they'd shore that up anyway.

Good god now were debating giving up Anderson for a catcher with Flowers' offensive output.

Can't wait for that 720 ops signed til he's 37. Young LF please.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 10, 2014 -> 09:23 AM) Personally I'd trade Sale for a guy with a .614 OBP. OPS- sorry. Those are the OPS that people want to empty the farm for.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 10, 2014 -> 09:11 AM) Or the next Radinsky. That's why they're prospects. In this instance, you do it in a second. However, Rodon cannot be traded. You can't be totally against dealing prospects under any circumstance or else you end up like the Pirates or Royals and wait 20+ years. That's not what made those teams what they are - Those teams would trade every veteran they had with a pulse for prospects. Plenty of teams who win don't trade their top prospects. See the Cardinals in St Louis, e.g. It also helps that teams that do trade them - Boston e.g. - produces a heck of a lot of them. The Sox don't. How many top prospects have been traded aroud MLB in the last year? Darn few. The As didn't get a single one for Donaldson or Shark or Moss. I'm all for trading prospects- for young talent. Not for decliners who are signed until they are 37. Nor for stodgy, unathletic low OBP sluggers that are popular in these parts. People also seem to analyze reputation, and not look at actual numbers....like OPS in the low 600s. Trading Rodon for Will Myers (if it could be done) would be laughably awful. As for Rodon, he's a college pitcher that dominated the lower minors and is good enough for the pen today. He is RAdinsky if EVERYTHING goes wrong. I remember the Sox trading their best prospects for luminaries such as Swisher and Edwin Jackson and Vasquez. That didn't get us anywhere.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 10, 2014 -> 09:01 AM) the #2 hitter is to provide hitting and moving the leadoff hitter over, and yeah it will be nice if he can get on base as well. No he is not there to "move the runner over". Wasting outs in front of the meat of the order to "move that runner over" is a clown-ball. He is there to get on base. Yes, getting a hit is better than a walk. He is there to get on base so that the meat of the order can drive him in. You want someone athletic there who can run the bases, sure.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Dec 10, 2014 -> 08:41 AM) I'm sure a deal around Rodon and Anderson would get TB at least thinking. Wonderful. Trade our next Sale for a .614 OPS. Or is it a .724 OPS. And it doesn't even touch on the key need of LF. The "grass is always greener" is growing like mad.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 10, 2014 -> 08:31 AM) another question, why have an OBP player if he is batting #2? the #2 hitters has a whole different set of mentality to think of. So they can be on base when abreu hits a bomb? What other mentality? Moving this runners over? Please! Damn straight OBP is key for a number 2

Bruce- Hi K, HI salary, low OBP, not good defensively, terrible year last year. Pass.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Dec 10, 2014 -> 06:34 AM) I know it's a long shot but I would love for the Sox to get back Dustin Ackley in any deal with Seattle. He could be a good left fielder for the Sox, and he wouldn't break the bank. Imagine this line up: Eaton - CF (L) Ramirez - SS Abreu - DH LaRoche - 1B (L) Garcia - RF Gillapse -3B (L) Ackley - LF (L) Flowers - C Johnson - 2B (L) What do you think? Well, I guess Ackley's about the best they can do for Viciedo. Still, he's never achieved so much as a .700 OPS in a full season of play (Viciedo has). He's pretty awful at the plate. Also, Alexei is a bottom of the order hitter...his OBP is inadequate to hit in front of Abreu.