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Rodon? For 1 year of Shark? Are you nuts? Rodon may be able to = Shark, a number 2 at best, next year. Alexei only. No way does a team with 3/4 top prospects give 1/4-1/3 of that for shark. Even secondary prospects like Rondon, who becomes elite if he learns to hit, should be off the table.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 01:20 AM) Bullpen is such an important part in today's game. But you can also find diamond in the roughs without spending so much money but we sucked at that last year. We found a couple with Putnam and Petricka We found 2 last year. Hardly sucking. Problem is that we had a pen of 1 going into year and he got hurt. Just need another live arm

No reason at all to give Tank away. People want to trade him for nothing; and yet other want the Sox to trade for player with numbers not much better than his (and substantially worse than his 2012, 2013 seasons).

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Dec 7, 2014 -> 06:35 PM) Would love to see the Sox acquire Zimmerman, but I would have the same concerns as a potential Shark deal. He would demand a haul in return and he's a free agent after the 2015 season. Though I would be more comfortable locking him up for 4-5 years than Shark. But I would be more comfortable in our ability to lock up Shark. ( although not very comfortable)

Who is the Sox CEO now? JR? I thought KW effectively had that responsibility. I really like the current Sox setup. My objection to Williams was he didn't get full value in trades. Well, as long as Hahn is doing that, we're covered.But I like Williams' hybrid philosophy; don't totally tear down, but retool. I'd hate to see us revert to the Pitt/Astros/Royals method of doing things (not saying it would happen). JR trusts Williams- I doubt a replacement would have that level of trust.

I was agreeing with you I like what Hahn has done. I did not like what Williams did from 2009-2012, basically since the Quentin trade.

First call: why hasn't Jordan Danks gotten a fair chance. Levine's explanation was equally nonsensical. Okay, time to change the channel.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 6, 2014 -> 09:19 AM) The little moves? Oh man, interesting. he said that his feeling/sense is that there would be a lot of action based on prelim discussions at the GM meeting.

Cool - 670 internet streams. "It's the little moves". I like it, KW

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 11:41 AM) Hahn was dealt a pretty s***ty hand and has added a ton of talent to it in 2 years time. That'd be like comparing the Red Sox of the past 15 seasons to the Tampa Bay Rays of the past 2 years and saying "who has had more success?" Yes he has. Let him keep doing what he's doing. We don't need to revert to the KW philosophy.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 09:23 AM) Gregorius to Yankees in a 3-team trade. I still like this trade idea four weeks later. That's the kind of trade Hahn made last year, and I hope we keep with that philosophy, rather than overpay for declining sport center headliners.

How's Moss' defense? Top 100 prospect for 2 years of Moss isn't exactly peak value.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 05:33 AM) maybe i am kind of being unrealistic here. I think acquiring Moss is the kind of move that Hahn would do. the kind of player that will fit, with what i see how the sox is establishing their philosophy, getting players who are already major league players. in other words, not trading for prospects. One main problem is what i keep on saying, iit seem that I have a theme. "At what cost would it take to get this trade done." let me also explain. if the sox had a full farm system, a system that, for an example is ranked 5-10 in all of mlb. then yes, may that trade with prospects. Exactly - that's why you want a strong, deep farm. The cost to you of each prospect is far less than if you have a thin farm like the Sox. I haven't' seen Hahn trade for an established major leaguer yet. Instead he's traded for guys who are just past the prospect stage, and just starting their careers like Eaton and Gillaspie. I'd like to continue down that road, using only FA for the veterans.

If I understand that guy's tweets correctly, he says that 1)It happens only if the Sox get Jeff Samardjiza. 2)The Sox think they can get more for Sale than they pay for Jeff Samardjiza (no kidding - by value, it should be 8 times more; 1 v. 5 year control; Sale is a much better pitcher) 3)The Sox don't like Betts and Bogaerts but they love Henry Owens. 2) is what bothers me about these rents. Sale SHOULD bring back 8 time what you'd pay for Jeff Samardiza. But, it would be nowhere close to that. Thus, No value in trading for Samardjiza or in trading away Sale.

Look at Cespedes' numbers, OPS: 2013: .737 2014: 751 Boston's getting a haul in July for those numbers? Adam Dunn hit as well as that - where was our haul? Aside from the fact that a 73 team with a thin farm shouldn't trade for 1 year players, where do people come up with the idea that Cespedes is in any way an elite hitter?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 4, 2014 -> 07:19 PM) Is Moss really going to be any better than Michael Morse, Torii Hunter or even Dayan Viciedo in the OF? Can the A's afford to part with even more offense with Donaldson a near-MVP talent as well as Cespedes gone? Not much better - he's declined each of the last 3 years. Trading Samardjiza isn't a sign of rebuilding. They lose him after this year anyway. Intelligent teams don't operate on 1 year windows. Trading Cespedes, whom they'd also lose this year, was to shore up a team in a pennant race.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 4, 2014 -> 06:09 PM) I think Samardzija is a 5/$100 guy and I think Scherzer is probably around 8/$200. I'd do 5/100 on Shark. MUch prefer that to a Scherzer deal The Sox can afford that and don't have to shed salary to do so. Most of all, the Sox need holes plugged. Get a competent LF: 2 competent starters. Another bullpen pitcher. Sox were well below average in those spots last year, which is what dragged them down.

The Sox don't need to send prospects to save money. That's the same sort of absolute clowning they've been doing for 5 years. The Sox NEED their MI depth. The Sox have no 2B. they will have no SS in 2 years (if it was up to me, next year). They need those guys to fight it out and then sort them out. Semien could end up being a nice major leaguer.

I'd be for trading Sale if a)The Sox were, say, 80% sure that Rodon was a top of the rotation starter and b)a team was willing to give the Sox fair value. I doubt the Sox know a) yet; and I'm pretty sure no team will acquiesce with b). The Red Sox bloggers think they can withhold both or 1 of Betts/Bogaerts, when obviously including both would be just a start.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Dec 4, 2014 -> 03:33 PM) Ugh. He kept pointing out that the Sox won 73 games last year as if it shut down any opposition. I'm still facepalming. Especially as the Redsox won less

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 4, 2014 -> 02:57 PM) Which is why unloading Danks' contract would be a must in any deal It shouldn't be a must for any deal. In fact, I would hesitate to include him in any deal as it would reduce the return. And if we trade Sale we would need someone to pitch. That said, judging by this thread I thought there was new murmur on trading Sale. I didn't see anything new on that front on twitter.

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Dec 4, 2014 -> 02:33 PM) What in the hell is all this talk about the Red Sox trading for Chris Sale?! The best part is that the tweeter who claims to be on the inside, thinks the red sox can do it for 2nd and 3rd tier prospects. Red Sox fans have a sense of entitlement

Good lord. Fill the holes first.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 05:30 PM) JA Happ had a 1.3 WAR last year and he could easily be a 2 WAR pitcher. The only pitcher the White Sox have that's similar to that is Hector Noesi, and do you think the Mariners want to go down that road again? Given the return, the White Sox had no pieces that would have made sense to trade to the Mariners. Plus, had they traded a so-so prospect, you'd have been up in arms about them trading a prospect when they need to be keeping those kinds of players at this time. He wouldn't have been a bad pick up, but there are literally hundreds of players available one way or another that would be "not bad pick ups." Losing one is not the end of the world. Then do a 3 way. Happ is a mediocre pitcher on a 1 year contract who is 32. Saunders would have plugged a big hole. And that's the weakness of the Sox - holes. We have a good core. Plug the gaping holes and this team improves a lot. Don't plug them and getting another "Star" won't get us anywhere.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 05:38 PM) There are no pieces on the market right now that warrant the Sox overspending to get them because they will put the Sox over the top. The Sox have been very wise with their decision making and fiscal responsibility thus far, and when the time comes, the Sox will be able to open the purse strings a little bit. This team had a $120 or so million payroll not that long ago. They can open the pocketbook, but for a retooling team, spending a boatload of money early on isn't really necessary. That's true. (of course it's also true about gaining one year of a starter for scare projects - will not put them over the top - but may excite the naive). And if it's $90 million because they believe that, we can expect more spending as the need arises. If it's 90 million because JR is on the cheap, that's a different story.