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QUOTE (Baron @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 01:33 PM) Yeah the Cardinals are really going to regret getting an accumulated 24 WAR OF who is 25 years old. They are not getting an accumulated 24 WAR. They are getting ONE season of the future WAR. Sox are in no position to make such a move.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 01:12 PM) They traded two. Miller has TOR stuff if, he is still young and really just had a bad season which happens to young guys and Tyrell Jenkins who has the stuff to be a #2 or 3. Really great trade for the Braves getting two really high ceiling rotation guys for one season of a mediocre offensive OF and an overpriced RP. It was a great trade for the Braves. They dealt him to someone who had the depth and need to overpay.

There's nothing to lament here. The Sox have a rotation that includes Carroll, Noesi and Danks. What good young pitcher(s) with years of team control did yall want the Sox to trade for 1 year of Heyward? Quintana and Danish for Heyward and the middle reliever? Or maybe Montas and Danish for Heyward by himself? Teams like the Cards can trade for rents. Teams like the Sox cannot (or at least should not).

1 bullpen pitcher, fine. But don't sign 2 high priced bullpen pitchers. our O, D and starting pitching need a lot of work.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 15, 2014 -> 11:06 PM) went on to say that KW is operating under immunity. What does that mean?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 15, 2014 -> 10:34 AM) Yeah, I get he was technically productive last year with the bat, I just don't have a lot of faith it's sustainable going forward. His BABIP was nearly 50 points higher than his career average and his K % & BB % were 36.0% & 5.7% respectively. Those numbers just don't add up for a successful 2015 IMO. Additionally, he's an incredibly streaky player. I know advanced metrics don't account for context, but I believe guys like him are worth less than stats like WAR might say otherwise. Over time, consistent scoring gives you a better chance of winning and more often than not he's a black hole at the bottom of the lineup. I just don't like him as an offensive and one flukey season isn't going to change my perception of him. And castro had a BABIP of .350 in his career year; .294 last year. Neither of these guys is trustworthy. Castro's only 6 months younger.

I'm not a big fan of chasing bullpen pitchers, but this guy is the best of this crop, imo.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 14, 2014 -> 07:01 PM) While catcher may not be our biggest hole, I have zero faith that Flowers is the long-term answer. If I'm Hahn, I'm checking in on both Castro & Grandal in case their markets are smaller than expected. Both guys have much more upside and a better chance of being long-term solutions than Tyler IMO. From what I've read, they're pleased with how Flowers handles the staff. He was also top tier last year in throwing out runners. He also played a lot and was a real warrior out there. Catro's offense will never be great anyway- it may be good for a catcher - but again, when you are well below replacement in LF and at DH, that's a tertiary upgrade. And he was terrible last year. Aren't there some hitters we can trade for? Sign Sandoval and move Conor for an outfielder, perhaps? Move Alexei for young pitching.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 14, 2014 -> 02:09 PM) I forget where I read the story, and really don't know if it is true, but there was something out there last year that in the Peavy trade, Hahn was prepared to do the trade with Middlebrooks included and that KW shot that down. Eventually they reworked it and got Avi. If so, good move by Kenny. I remember reading something about another GM complaining that the Sox GM wasn't empowered to make final decisions.

Thanks for the rundown.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 14, 2014 -> 03:56 PM) Depending on the price, this could be an absolute steal. There's nothing wrong whatsoever with inquiring. And just because a player strikes out does not mean he should not be brought in. Guys strike out a lot these days. Right, plus if you bring him in, you may be able to sign him to an extension. That would not be a bad thing. Oh yea, another Teahan deal. REally cheap, fine. When is the last time the Sox got a player like that really cheap. Sox will pay his 2013 price - top dollar, if they get him. Astros aren't going to let him go really cheap anyway. I'm just sick of these 140K guys anyway; you guys want more of that action, fine.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 14, 2014 -> 03:47 PM) Except that Jason Castro is a potential all-star at his peak. Plus having two very capable catchers is not a bad thing. Sure, but not when you have no #3, or 4 starter; not when you have no DH or LF. And not when you still have a thin farm system. It doesn't address priorities. He's also under control for only 2 more years; he was also terrible offensively last year (OPS of .651) and in his good year, he Ks a ton. We don't know how good he is at calling a game. This would be bad move.

Hopefully his role had nothing to do with trades, although I guess simple veto power wouldn't really mess anything up.

QUOTE (peppers312 @ Nov 14, 2014 -> 01:37 PM) http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/mlb/451...or-jason-castro how is a kid who hit .222 last season with 151 in 465 ABs any type of improvement over Flowers? because of his age? not the type of news that WOWs me. :/ No. Not a priority. Sox need hitters in the lineup. Marginal upgrades from terrible to possibly just bad are not a good use of resources.

No to Niese. He's not the pitcher the Sox need by any measure. I also disagree that Alexei has marginal value - worthy of a JR Murphy (no to Yankee catching prospects as well). You have to look at it in context. At least 2 teams are right on the verge of contention and have a glaring need for SS. There are no acceptable FA options. That ups his value. Also, when Ken Williams can trade the Sox 2 top pitching prospects for 1.5 years of Edwin Jackson and his 5+ ERA and inflated salary, I refuse to give up this early that there isn't a generous GM out there.

The edge we have now is money to spend. Don't use it on a# 4 or Elvis Andrus for goodness sake. You'd have to give up players anyway. While the FA market is thin there are still players out there. Go get Sandoval or someone

I think that the Sox really do want to move Alexei...because he's really the only trade chit they have without digging into the farm, which they're still trying to build. And I think they think that can cover SS. Hahn's public protestations to the contrary. Just my perception

I suspect that Scherzer will be paid more for past performance than future. Pass

QUOTE (Jake @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 04:20 PM) Yeah, I'll go ahead and celebrate even less salary flexibility for the Tigs I'm with ya.

He had a bad year in 13, 14 and he is woefully overpaid. You have to pay this guy 15 mill per annum for another NINE years. that's a good deal?

Good lord. Have we given up already?

For goodness sakes

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 12:01 AM) Also seen this from NY media @MartinoNYDN: On Alexei Ramirez, #WhiteSox prefer young SPs like Syndergaard/Wheeler/Montero, while #Mets prefer to deal Niese/Gee/Colon. (1/2) @MartinoNYDN: Also #WhiteSox, like #Mets, in mode of trying to build contender. So while they'd deal Ramirez, it's not like he's burning a hole in pocket. Thanks for posting those tweets. I think they really sum up the Sox position nicely. The Sox don't have to trade Alexei. If they want him, the deliver the young pitchers, not the old and/or mediocre.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 11, 2014 -> 06:59 PM) The Sox did when they didnt resign Thome and went with Kotsay instead. The idea was fine. The execution - Kotsay - was poor.

For goodness sakes no rents. Foolishness.