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No one could seriously want Rios. This is a "grass is always greener" bunch; or "the lousy player isn't so lousy if he wears a different uniform", but wanting Rios is taking it to the extreme.

This organization is woefully devoid of pitching depth. Nothing in the upper minors; and on the majors, there may be 1/2 a staff (and out of that 1/2, 2 are really good and the rest are no better than average). This can't be cured with a couple of fA signings. this roster needs to be churned...too bad zero got done at the deadline.

Lord we're stuck with him for 2 more years.

When he left here, he really didn't look like he had a whole lot left. His K totals are well below his peak, which suggests much of the stuff is gone. He also had a real bad July.

Interesting list. Wendelkin should be close to the top 25.

I'll take Leury. I thought the Rangers would get something decent for him; but that they couldn't do anything, despite the lack of available RH hitters, just shows that Rios' general uselessness cannot hide.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Aug 5, 2014 -> 01:41 PM) IF they are DFA'ed the team has ten days to make a roster move, which would include placing a player on waivers to see if they can clear waivers and be re-assigned. However, since he will likely not clear waivers the Marlins can work out a deal with the team that claims him or pull him back. If they pull him back they can place him on waivers again, though they would be irrevocable. Since the non-waiver trade deadline has passed, their options are to place him through waivers or to release him. So how does it work when, say, a team claims a player and then supposedly those the team that waived the player and the team that claimed him "Try to work out a deal" (so that the waiving team just doesn't pull him back). Do they just let the claiming team keep the waived player and they agree in a side deal for the claiming team to send player X after the season? Of does the waived player have to pass through waivers again?

When can we expect the Sox waivers to begin?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 03:07 PM) When should the Sox get the go ahead to build a good bullpen? When they're ready. And they'll be ready when they have a solid bottom half of the bullpen built internally (we may not be far away from that), some prospects to fill positions if necessary and when the rest of the club is finished. At that point, they can make trades or signings to fill 2/3 bullpen spots. Moving Reed was the right thing to do - it may have been poorly executed, but moving him was smart. We probably couldn't have done better in July....that's when bullpen pitchers seem to have their top value. This bullpen has had a lot of pressure on it all season long; it's tougher without any proven top-end guys. They give up 2 runs and people freak. They finally completely imploded.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 07:52 AM) I think we can all agree that what really excites fans about a young player is a blend of speed and power. Those guys like Trout and Puig and to a lesser extent Andrew McCutcheon and Carlos Gomez. They are a rare breed smashing HR's, flying all over the outfield and the bases ,making great catches and nailing runners with awesome throws. I see some of those thing in Moises Sierra although he is in his mid 20's rather than his early 20's. He's fast, makes some outstanding catches and has a great arm .He's had some decent years in the minors nothing that would leap out at you to suggest he's a budding superstar. Has potential to hit for power being 6"1" 220 . He's worth keeping around. It could happen. It probably won't, but it has happened.

To answer the question - yes, but that's part of rebuilding. Bullpen should be the last place to fix. I think Guerra's useful as well; as are webb and probably Surkamp against lefties. But they are all back end guys. Just lack front end guys.

QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 3, 2014 -> 06:38 PM) Cleto's last 5 appearances: 7.2 innings 2 hits 1 bb 13 k I'm glad we kept him around. He's got "stuff" that's for sure. Guerra's been fine most of the time. The pen lacks 2 high end arms - it currently has none of these. Too much pressure has been put on the other guys. Also, only 1 lefty is a problem.

This bullpen is the result of a ridiculously weak farm. And there's nothing to bring in.

The loony notion that this sox team somehow is a contender should finally be put out to pasture. They've now lost home series to the Twins, Padres and Diamondbacks plus assorted other clear indications that this team is way short. I just wish it would have happened a week ago; perhaps the Sox might have been willing to do what needed to be done to bring some young talent in here (like selling high on Ramirez).

It takes a great manager to understand the genius of batting the worst hitter on the team 2nd.

I don't know why we would do it. Rather an A ball player than Hammel. No one's offering much for Hammel. He basically blows but had a cubbie-luck hot streak early in the season.

Well, I think they needed to move some players off this team. I know the team is 5 games from WC, but it's also got 5 teams ahead of it. The organization remains paper thin in the majors and minors (minors improving, but nowhere near where it needs to be). I realize Beckham and Viciedo - the 2 guys they wanted to move - stunk to high heaven. That didn't help. Danks' salary made that problematic. But De Aza, Dunn...nothing? The Sox are contending because they have 2 super stars...the only other team in MLB that can say that is the Tigers and perhaps the Dodgers. That compensates to an extent for some of the glaring holes on the team (2 rotation spots, top end of the pen, LF, RF, 2B). A Garcia may plug RF; Semien or Johnson may plug 2B; a FA may plug LF; a FA may be added to rotation and to pen. That still leaves the organization paper thin. There really is very little in the upper minors. They need more in the pipeline. Trades could have helped that, even for A Ball players.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 04:28 PM) Danks is approximately a 2 WAR pitcher. Who are you going to realistically acquire as a 2 WAR pitcher for $20 million over 2 years? He's nowhere close to a 2 WAR pitcher. He is closer to a .5 WAR pitcher, which is the issue: we're paying 15 mill a year for a 5th starter. Yes, the rotation will be hurting this year without him; it's hurting with him. It will be hurting next year. That's the problem - there is no starting pitching depth anywhere in this organization.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 06:11 PM) 9. JorDanks/minor league OF Sign a FA Jordan Danks wouldn't be a serious effort at winning.

Astros make a lot of good trades - this is another one.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 10:16 AM) --Nick McCully released McCully's been dreadful this year, but had some interesting stats in 12 and 13. Wonder what happened to him.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 04:39 PM) There is a workaround in making the trade for a PTBNL, in which case the guy who hasn't cleared waivers stays with his current team until the end of the season and then goes to the other team to complete the trade. Sort of an, "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" kind of deal. They let teams do that? Then that takes care of the other half needing to clear waivers. Danks will clear waivers, so we'll see what happens.

Go ahead with your bad self and Price, Detroit. See if you win a WS. I'll be rooting against you.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 03:45 PM) b. Work out a mutually acceptable trade with the claiming team. c. Accept the claim and give the player and his entire contract to the claiming team (see Rios, Alex). Of course the Sox got L Garcia, so they must have done b. And doesn't b. require that the player going the other way also clear waivers?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 04:02 PM) They didn't need to move him. If they weren't getting the right value - and they weren't asking for a lot (I wasn't in there and I know that, I can read between the lines) - there's no need to move him. This is exactly what Eminor has mentioned on a few different occasions. The value Danks represents is less than his contract, so the Sox would have to pick up money just to move him. He's not worthless though, as he's a viable option at the back end of the rotation. Still, no team is going to give up a very good piece for Danks. Thus, you're basically asking yourself: is it better to keep John Danks at $14 million for the next 2 years and have him act as a back of the rotation starter, eating innings for the Sox, or include $8-10 million (thus only saying somewhere around $22-24 million), needing to bring in another back of the rotation starter, and getting little to no value for John Danks? The answer to the question is that Danks is worth much more to the White Sox and it's better to keep him at $14 mill. Danks will cost the Sox roughtly 28.5 million for the next 2 years. If they could have gotten rid of the contract for that $8-$10 million and gotten some value in return, yes they should have taken it. At this point, given that the deadline has passed, I hope they still move him to relieve $20 million of salary over 2 years and to heck with the value in return. That money can be better spent elsewhere. The Sox can live with Noesi as 5th starter.