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Have the Hahn footmen Jeremy Haber and Nick "Steele" Hostetler been sent on their way?

I would pay it for both of them, especially Crochet. Crochet has real talent Clint Frazier, on the other hand.... If they don't pay for Touki, they'll pay $10 million for a "proven veteran" fifth-starter type who is no better than Touki is.

I hear you and I'm not pining for Katz' dismissal or anything. But our starting staff wasn't supposed to suck, with Giolito, Cease and Lynn expected to be top-shelf starters. Kopech was a WIP and then a 5th starter.

It takes a great bullpen to pull that off. Starters' pitch counts rise drastically with all of the walks and lack of quick out. You'll need high leverage relievers from the 5th inning on. It may minimize the damage when you kind of suck. But I don't see that as a championship strategy. And I hope he knocks it off starting next season. Rangers starters didn't walk anyone against a team that likes to walk. They won 2 road games in absolute hand-rides.

"Aggressive hitting" has long been an organizational philosophy that Getz, hopefully, expunges. But I really can't imagine any coach actually teaching players to hit the ball on the ground, nor players doing that intentionally (other than when some clown manager orders them to intentionally make outs in order to move those runners up).

One morsel of comfort: the 1-2 score that we'll see every time we open the board for the next 5 months is much less unpleasant than the 1-10 score from the last 2 off-seasons,

On the bright side.... You think going from 81-61 wins is bad? 10 years ago, a first-year manager took the Sox from 85 wins to 63 wins. And that's before he made 2 of the worst 21st Century trades in all of MLB baseball. And that manager was much more intractable than this manager. While Pedro shouldn't be anywhere near this operation, he'll be gone soon enough. Sox don't have a 10 year anchor like we did a decade ago.

And a nice parting gift from Grandal.

I seriously doubt that they trade any of their top 5 prospects for a player who should be a salary dump. But, of course, he won't be a salary dump. I'd say they'll trade from the prospects Pedro doesn't like: Colas, Sosa, and/or some 2nd tier guys. Even that is too much.

I'd file that plan under "How not to rebuild"

I agree, but I hope see a more aggressive build part of the rebuild, which I think we'll get.

Tanner Banks is probably second to Santos for the Sox "Fireman of the Year" He doesn't K too many, but he doesn't walk many either.

It is ridiculous. It's so ridiculous that I'm not convinced it isn't a result of lazy, ego-driven and all-around shi$$y management by Hahn and Williams v JR pinching pennies. The bigger the staff, the more people you have to supervise and the more work you have to do.

He has some talent, but walks too many.

It’s not just that we are the worst team compared to expectations. The Sox are the worst team in baseball right now and by a wide margin.

What doesn't make sense is the premise: bringing this coaching staff back. The manager is one thing; but the coaches are really more important re organizational rebuilding, which is what this operation needs to get going with.

As can the entire bullpen.

Yes, I disagree; they were never particularly young, and as soon as they got good the farm sucked again.

Kelly, or Graveman or Keuchel or ...you get the picture. Kelly is a metaphor for mediocre FA of your choice.

I still doubt that JR instructed Hahn "don't spend $10 mill on development and analytics; spend it on Joe Kelly instead." Of course it was JR who gave Hahn and KW the keys to the kingdom for 2 decades. But really relieved to see Getz building a FO team.

Sorry - meant to edit and I quoted instead

The 3 Hs. Hahn is out Hopefully Hostetler seeks other opportunities. They can let Haber work in the analytics department or something. Or seeks other opportunities. When is the last time they brought 3 outsiders (or even 1) into the inner sanctum of the front office? Maybe I'm grading on a curve, but this seems good.

Leadership is organic. It cannot be created, contrived or traded for. Maybe a leader will blossom. Until then, I'm good with my leader in the pen - isn't that where all the sleeping was going on anyway?

Hendriks is the leader the Sox need, not Perez

Yes, perhaps in a fairytale.