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One morsel of comfort: the 1-2 score that we'll see every time we open the board for the next 5 months is much less unpleasant than the 1-10 score from the last 2 off-seasons,

On the bright side.... You think going from 81-61 wins is bad? 10 years ago, a first-year manager took the Sox from 85 wins to 63 wins. And that's before he made 2 of the worst 21st Century trades in all of MLB baseball. And that manager was much more intractable than this manager. While Pedro shouldn't be anywhere near this operation, he'll be gone soon enough. Sox don't have a 10 year anchor like we did a decade ago.

And a nice parting gift from Grandal.

I seriously doubt that they trade any of their top 5 prospects for a player who should be a salary dump. But, of course, he won't be a salary dump. I'd say they'll trade from the prospects Pedro doesn't like: Colas, Sosa, and/or some 2nd tier guys. Even that is too much.

I'd file that plan under "How not to rebuild"

I agree, but I hope see a more aggressive build part of the rebuild, which I think we'll get.

Tanner Banks is probably second to Santos for the Sox "Fireman of the Year" He doesn't K too many, but he doesn't walk many either.

It is ridiculous. It's so ridiculous that I'm not convinced it isn't a result of lazy, ego-driven and all-around shi$$y management by Hahn and Williams v JR pinching pennies. The bigger the staff, the more people you have to supervise and the more work you have to do.

He has some talent, but walks too many.

It’s not just that we are the worst team compared to expectations. The Sox are the worst team in baseball right now and by a wide margin.

What doesn't make sense is the premise: bringing this coaching staff back. The manager is one thing; but the coaches are really more important re organizational rebuilding, which is what this operation needs to get going with.

As can the entire bullpen.

Yes, I disagree; they were never particularly young, and as soon as they got good the farm sucked again.

Kelly, or Graveman or Keuchel or ...you get the picture. Kelly is a metaphor for mediocre FA of your choice.

I still doubt that JR instructed Hahn "don't spend $10 mill on development and analytics; spend it on Joe Kelly instead." Of course it was JR who gave Hahn and KW the keys to the kingdom for 2 decades. But really relieved to see Getz building a FO team.

Sorry - meant to edit and I quoted instead

The 3 Hs. Hahn is out Hopefully Hostetler seeks other opportunities. They can let Haber work in the analytics department or something. Or seeks other opportunities. When is the last time they brought 3 outsiders (or even 1) into the inner sanctum of the front office? Maybe I'm grading on a curve, but this seems good.

Leadership is organic. It cannot be created, contrived or traded for. Maybe a leader will blossom. Until then, I'm good with my leader in the pen - isn't that where all the sleeping was going on anyway?

Hendriks is the leader the Sox need, not Perez

Yes, perhaps in a fairytale.

I agree; I think they'll make some trades, too (Likely at dimes on the dollar of peak value). One thing the Sox did pretty well this year was get a good return for a bunch of mediocre pitchers and good pitchers having bad years. They did better this year than they did from 2015-2019 on those types, at least on paper.

Getz is going to have to channel his inner Roland Hemond to get this fixed. That 1970 team had few good players, a terrible farm (a White Sox Standard) but he was somehow able to coax a starting pitcher and a starting position player from the Angels in return for a great defensive CF who couldn't hit plus a really bad infielder (Syd O'Brien). A couple more trades of modest talent struck gold (or at least silver) And then of course, Chuck Tanner said "hey, we should start Wilbur Wood." I don't think a rebuild like we did in 2016 has a chance in hell of succeeding. He's got to make some moves.

Discrimination added to the list. Just wonderful. Anything else, White Sox?

Well, I would think that the Sox are the third worst, or worse, in most areas.

Well, tonight wasn’t a bullpen problem. It is pretty cool to give up 8 runs in the first inning and not take the loss.