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QUOTE (raBBit @ Jun 17, 2014 -> 06:55 PM) The AAA rotation has less bearing on the future of this rotation than you'd think. We have three guys that you know what you're getting from them (Sale, Q, Danks) and they are probably slated as a #1, #2 and #4. Then we have Carlos Rodon who may very well be in the rotation this time next year, Erik Johnson who was looked as a solid 3/4 three months ago and a boatload of money to spend. I am not as much worried about the rotation as I am the middle of the order, the defense and the health of the team moving forward. And every team in the bigs is worried about the last-menitoned concern. Ideally, you need 8 or 9 ready to go to be safe and to give yourself some flexibility. Pick 5, keep 2 in AAA, put 2 in the pen. That's ideal. 7 is a necessity. A pitiful Charlotte rotation with zero prospects (we'll see about Johnson) isn't necessarily probative of rotation problems, but in our case it is: Because we don't have any prospects with high ceilings in AA, and, regardless of ceiling, they are 2 years from the major anyway. Oh sure we can rush Rodon after he was hard used all spring, and considering we have limited years available to use him anyway (with Boras as his agent, the odds of getting one of those compromise extensions are near zilch). Then next year we can have Sale, Q, Rodon, Danks and Rienzo (who's okay for a 5) and say we're ready to go!. Get one injury and we're back in a mess. Build this right.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jun 17, 2014 -> 06:51 PM) Why not trade for him? Even with his sub-par performance this year, he is still better than at least one of our starting outfielders. Yes, let's use assets to acquire declining veterans. NO

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 17, 2014 -> 08:18 AM) You don't sell off pieces for the future for an upgrade for solely 2014. You make moves similar to the trades for Garcia, Contreras, and Peavy in the past with some possibility of helping this year but with an eye towards next season. I would say absolutely not, except for perhaps something like the trade for Contreras. This org is not a year away from winning with this rotation and a AAA rotation that includes Axe and Veal.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 05:16 PM) Also, I believe in every one of those trades where you claimed "we got 1 pitching prospect back", we actually got multiple pieces back. Just wanted to point that out. Santos was for 1. Anyway except for the guy we sent to the Twins who may be progressing (have no idea), none of the pitching prospects did a thing.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 01:10 PM) Who was flipped with Eduardo Escobar for Francisco Liriano, one of the ten best pitchers in the NL last season. How nice. Liriano was good with the Pirates. He sported a 5.4 ERA for us. But I did forget about that pitcher, who yielded us zip. Was thinking about Castro, who's yielded less than zip.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 15, 2014 -> 10:55 AM) Well this is why I always liked Kenny...the prospects route, while admittedly what was needed at the point in which Hahn took over, can be very frustrating. If good teams were offering up can't miss prospects, it would be a lot simpler to rebuild...problem is, they rarely do. Hahn is going to miss on some guys, but he's also going to hit on some guys that we didn't expect would pan out. It's an exercise in patience and withholding judgement until you can see his plan take shape a bit more. Kenny went the prospect route: traded TCQ for a single pitching prospect who was awful; traded Santos for a single pitching prospect who was awful; the prospect for EJ was a single pitching prospect who was awful. Note that all 3 single pitching prospects were "near ML ready" but actually had hit a peak and had already started to decline. Hahn has a lot of work to do over the next 6 weeks. No more flawed declining AAA prospects. Take the As and AAs with promise and develop them.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 14, 2014 -> 10:20 AM) http://www.milb.com/scoreboard/index.jsp?s...mp;ymd=20140614 Charlotte- Axelrod and Heath HOnestly, how can a AAA franchise have both of those as SPs? Lord this org lacks pitching.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jun 14, 2014 -> 01:34 PM) He's been pretty solid in the minors sans this year. Never really showed anything in the majors. Maybe he's a Steverson guy. Jake Sanchez, who the Sox gave up, was an interesting prospect. I can't understand giving any sort of real prospect for this guy. I don't know what Sanchez is, but I assume he isn't a prospect. Scrap heap's one thing, but you trade for scrap heap players.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 14, 2014 -> 04:18 PM) Thoughts? Don't catchers usually sit in day games after night games? Nieto's appeared at least passable this season.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jun 13, 2014 -> 06:04 PM) I say open up the Trade Winds Forum. It's about that time in the summer. The question is, are the sox buyers or sellers this summer? Can they perhaps be both???? They can't possibly buyers. Well I guess they could, but it's wishing on a star, believing that this team will seriously contend. it's far more likely that they finish last than first. Don't waste an opportunity to acquire young talent.

I would have thought that Wendelken would have been top 15-20ish.

The question is, are they more likely to go on an 8/10 win streak, or an 8/10 losing streak. Because it will come.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 12, 2014 -> 09:42 AM) And/or Semien and Micah Johnson become part of the outfield solution. Granted, it's hard to imagine Eaton and one of those two putting up 675-725 OPS numbers together. Eaton's got to return to his 750-775 form...more walks, more stolen bases and an improved steal percentage. But there's no doubt we're a much more formidable line-up with a healthy/pesky Adam at the top. Honestly, with Beckham hitting 2nd and then ABreu, I'm not all that interested in Eaton doing much stealing. Not worth the risk. Now more walks would help.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 12, 2014 -> 09:20 AM) He'll cost about $6m (half of the entire value of the Keppinger contract) and another season of Semien/Sanchez/Johnson/Saladino being forced out of position or stuck in AAA. I'm not saying that logjam has been or will be a problem THIS year, but it probably will next year. And it'll be Gordon free agent year. It's time to s*** or get off the pot with him. The logjam could thin itself out over the next year. Once PK and Dunn leave, Gillaspie will/should play more backup 3B and do some DHing. Beckham and Alexei are both movable. We're also woefully short of decent outfielders, so any of those guys could be moved for a similar OF prospect. Don't force a trade of Beckham, but certainly listen.

If they trade him, trade him for young prospects with some ceiling. Trading him for bullpen pieces will never get us anywhere.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 10, 2014 -> 09:44 PM) It isn't bad if he can hit 25+ home runs and steal some bases for us.. And have an occasional break out year. And if he can walk and reduce the Ks.

We have close to zero pitching in the mid and upper minors. That, I suspect, is why the records are so poor.

Alex Rios would not have added 3-4 wins to our win total in 1 month of ball. That extrapolates to 15-20 wins over the course of a season. If he were that capable, he'd be baseball's MVP by a mile. Rios had to go. No regrets.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 01:22 PM) Not many scouts would of batted an eye if he was selected in the 2nd round and those slot values ranged from 1 to 1.5 million. And that's him coming off of TJ surgery, if he preforms well in college he could be top 10 pick in the 2017 draft. It might be half a million dollars now, but it could be 2-4 million dollars in a couple years and the fun and excitement of college. Then why wasn't he drafted in the 3rd or 4th round? And if it's because he wasn't considered signable, then I think it's clear we'd have to offer > than 3rd round money to get him.

Loved the first 2 picks. Didn't care for the 3rd (low ceiling). Don't know enough about the rest or the alternatives.

Hahn better assemble a team 6-10 games better than anyone else in the division if he expects to make the playoffs with this huge anchor managing the team.

Not in Law's top 100.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 6, 2014 -> 09:09 AM) So he can stay healthy and in the lineup. Putting him in LF also significantly raises the overall defense in the OF if you have someone as good or better in CF. If Avi Garcia can learn to play defense the outfield could be elite defensively. Eaton's offense is marginal for a corner OF. But he would help the D a lot.

Don't bring back Dunn. With he and Konerko gone, we can bring up some of our MI, let Connor play some DH and 1B. Heck, I hope he gets it back together and we can dump him on someone next month.

A quick call up means an earlier big payday which = more money and quicker for Boras, which could make a reasonable signing easier. That said, Rodon's got lot of miles on him this year. I'd think that they would want to take it easy with him this year.