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QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 11:38 PM) Bruce Levine was on wscr making the cubs plan seem sensible. Then said rodon's record hurt him this year man is a putz and dolt. I'm sorry but that is absolutely hilarious. Bruce should do stand up.

How is this not 100% Alexei's fault? All he has to do is run him back to first and Beckham is there waiting. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?g...&mode=video

QUOTE (Bruce_Blixton @ Jun 4, 2014 -> 06:27 PM) Saladino has been on fire recently, .429/.667/1.095 over his last 10 games and adds another triple today. I hope Hahn is working on some way to move some of the middle infield players, between Semien, Micah Johnson, Sanchez & Saladino there's at least 3 major leaguers in that group for only 1 potential open spot next year depending on what they do with Beckham. It appears that that needs some thinning out. What we need is more pitching and some outfielders. But we have been singularly impotent at trading for "ML ready" pitching prospects over the last several years (as per the results of the Jackson, Santos and Quentin trades). Do better finding some in the low minors and developing them ourselves.

Sox played some bad baseball tonight in many ways,but still won. Good show.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 4, 2014 -> 10:00 AM) What are the examples? http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/beane-a...wn-terms-052914 We traded 1 prospect for Quentin, who, himself, was a prospect. Early, williams traded off top prospects. Later, he just acquired too many mediocre players and our drafting wasn't good. I like Oak's philosophy - it's like we overreacted with "tools" after we drafted that stiff Broadway. Williams has always liked hard throwers...Koch, MacDougal and the like. I prefer Oak's approach. Ks are good, but you don't need to throw 96 to get them. I would take Nola...but only because I have a heavy distrust, perhaps bias, of drafting HS pitchers early. If there were a really top hitter, I'd take him first.

I read another article that shows today they are overpaying in prospects to win now. That part of the recipe we don't need to copy.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 3, 2014 -> 06:56 PM) Justin Jirschele 2-2. This is insane. That's .558 on the season with zero strikeouts in 48 PA. He's a little long in the tooth for that league, though, isn't he?

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ May 30, 2014 -> 09:09 AM) Pros - At the height of his value given age/contract status/performance/track record I disagree with this basic premise. He's 25, not 30. How do we know he's at the "height". And that height may last for a long time, as it often does with easy throwing lefties. The man's consistent. We need pitchers like him. And our system is not exactly replete with arms. We have plenty of other superior options to trade, like surplus middle infielders, Dunn, De Aza and then guys like Phegley. And frankly we need to trade a lot of these guys even though we'll get similar in return.

I've said all along that I thought that drafting Nieto was a brilliant move, way out of the box, with a decent chance to pay off with really zero risk. I don't know how big it will pay off, but at worst he's a capable backup, which is >bullpen pitcher (if that) we'd have gotten had we rule-5d the way everyone else does.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 29, 2014 -> 11:23 AM) Or for a 3rd round draft pick. Williams got suckered into this line of thinking with big money deals for Dotel and Linebrink after 2007. So what happens...those usually dependable guys, like a Scott Downs or Scott Shields, suddenly lose it and then you're stuck with ugly bullpen contracts. Just follow the Tampa Bay Rays bullpen construction model the last decade, or the A's (until they foolishly went for Johnson, falling into that same "must have closer" mode which Beane has always run away from, trading closers at peak value and replacing them with cheaper, more promising youngsters). Or even the Royals (but ignore the rest of their issues, like hitting and starting pitching). Absolutely. Using real assets (players, prospects or $$) to either trade for or keep bullpen pitchers is a fools' game.

Beckham flashes leather or arm every night. Can't trade him til the offseason. We need the depth we have, the way this season has gone with injuries.

Didn't we draft one of those Guillens a few years and he expressed indignation at either the contract offer, or that we had waited so late to draft him? Any Guillens left in the minors?

Petricka

Need to primp De Aza so we can trade him. Danks doesn't help much anyway. I agree with letting L Garcia play some OF.

QUOTE (LDF @ May 26, 2014 -> 05:22 PM) I don't know about anybody else, but my wanting to trade Gordon is not about hatred but getting needed players in return. stl - Adams and Craig are available, tor - has a farm systems of good prospect, bal - is the same with even better prospects. yanks - have some key prospects and catchers, I like Gordon, but we need help. I wouldn't mind seeing De Aza, L. Garcia , Viciedo and even the Danks brothers traded as well. We need prospects and we need help. I'll go with the prospects. We don't need Adams and Craig is overpaid. We need to listen hard on Dunn too. L Garcia nets nothing; If De Aza gets his average up he'd yield something, but it's selling low now. John Danks would be salary relief for the most part; Jordan Danks has no value. Viciedo is driving the ball - he may be for real. Sometimes guys take a few years to pull things together...it's not that unusual. It applies to Beckham too. Beckham, Dunn and maybe Belasario if they'd just let him pitch in the 7th and 8th look to me like the best trade pieces now.

Letting Leury Garcia bat in the 9th is utterly incompetent. And Belasario simply finished what he had started on Thursday night. If they insisted on using him to close again, he should have been under heavy scrutiny for a hook if things didn't go well.

Another edition of the Robin Ventura amateur hour.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ May 22, 2014 -> 05:38 PM) two of the most recognizable people in the organization . Note - Law said it was Williams Jr.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ May 22, 2014 -> 05:38 PM) My knee-jerk reaction to this (if true) is one of two things. 1. They are making it blatantly obvious they are super "interested" in Nola by sending two of the most recognizable people in the organization to "scout" him. In reality, they are set on the top three and just want some negotiation leverage when pre-draft terms start to get bandied about. 2. They have serious reservations about someone in the top 3 and in the scenario where that guy is the one left they want options. He's one of the more polished, ML ready pitchers, and this organization likes that. I do think there are several guys with higher upside.

Looks like Dunn is our major trade piece this summer. Then Bellasario.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 17, 2014 -> 02:40 PM) Only 8 teams in MLB have more wins than the White Sox right now!!! Except for Det, Oakland, Milwaukee, SF, COL and the Dodgers, we'd be right on the heels of a playoff spot. We're also only 1 1/2 and 2 games behind and Yankees and Angels for the WC with an easier schedule run and Eaton/Sale both on the way back soon. Do we have an easier schedule? The AL Central is the best division in the AL right now, based on interleague and interdivisional play. Those Western teams get to load up on the Astros.

The Soptic deal is looking pretty good.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 10, 2014 -> 05:32 AM) A Ramirez trade becoming less and less likely, even though from a statistical regression point, it makes some sense...clearly, he had a lot of things on his mind last year, and eventually the entire team lost focus and it snowballed or mushroomed. If the Sox were of the mind to trade him, his good season should make it more likely that he is traded. Now I don't know that they are of that mind, if for no other reason that they don't have a replacement. Beckham on the other hand is hitting much better and the Sox do have a replacement for him. But the Sox also see the need to field a competitive ML team (thank goodness). And then there is the pen....it's pitching lights out. If the Sox are of the mind to trade, the pen is where several chits may reside.

QUOTE (ron883 @ May 2, 2014 -> 05:27 PM) The guy is lighting the place up like dynamite this year. He isn't getting any younger, and with the Sox if depth, they can lose him and be ok in the future. He would fetch a killing in the trade market. I think this is a no brainer if the Sox fall out of contention The trouble is that his salary is pretty high and I think we'd get a salary dump return, so not much value in trading him, especially as we don't have a good alternative. Ideally, getting De Aza to have a hot 2 months and trading him would be the way to go. But the slow start + OF injuries make that problematic. Beckham too, but slow start will preclude that. So now we're basically down to someone like Belasario, presuming he continues to pitch well.

QUOTE (glangon @ May 3, 2014 -> 03:29 PM) I believe that it's Leury Garcia in case of injury...... L Garcia should start a lot in OF. Danks is a 5th OF, and Garcia is supposed to be a super Sub. Getting him work in that regard.