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    Baseball winter meetings thread

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    If Williams has had his "eye" on Eaton for a while, it wouldn't surprise me if the Sox throw in a prospect just to close the deal. We should be getting a prospect.

    It's way too early to say Santiago has maxed out.

    On the other hand, when Eaton played 1/2 a season, his numbers fell way, way off from his 120 AB season.

    Baseball winter meetings thread

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    QUOTE (dayan024 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:21 AM)
    Doug Padilla ‏@ESPNChiSox 38s

     

    Young Eaton makes sense. Older Howie does not. RT @BillShaikin: Angels tried to get Santiago for Kendrick; no go. Now trying 3-way deal.

    Angels have had a lot of low OBP players, just like the Sox, over the years.

    Baseball winter meetings thread

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    QUOTE (dayan024 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 10:59 AM)
    Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 35s

     

    Ken Williams said on Hot Stove that #WhiteSox had "exciting" move brewing. Getting Eaton from #DBacks, as @keithlaw reported, would be that.

     

    Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 1m

     

    Per @keithlaw, Eaton would go to #WhiteSox as part of three-team deal with Trumbo going to #DBacks, Skaggs-plus to #Angels.

    In that deal, the Angels should send the Sox a solid prospect.

    Hahn says trade talks have heated up.

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    QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 09:13 AM)
    Here's a Sale trade I might think about:

     

    Sox trade:

    Sale

    Quintana

    Reed

     

    Phils trade:

    Hamels

    Papelboner

     

    DBacks trade:

    EVERYONE GOOD

     

    Sox get:

    Hamels

    Papelbon's s***ty contract

    EVERYONE GOOD from AZ

     

    Phils get:

    Quintana

    Reed

    Tons of $$$$$ savings

     

    AZ gets:

    Sale

     

    Sox swap Sale for Hamels, Reed for 'Boner, and use Q + $$$ savings to buy a new farm

    How about Sale for everyone good from Az.

    No need for Quintana and Reed for those 2 big contracts.

    Teams begging Sox for Chris Sale

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    QUOTE (wardo @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:49 AM)
    Don't think the return for Sale would net as much as we'd like to think. Realistically I think Sale could net something like this

     

    Cubs acquire: Chris Sale

    White Sox acquire: Jeff Samardzija, Jorge Soler, low level pitching prospect

    One above average pitcher signed for 2 years and one top prospect isn't close to his value. They'd have to throw in another Soler; in fact, keep the Smardzija, and add a third top prospect and another solid prospect.

    Of course, I don't disagree that it will be hard to find teams who will pay his value: 6 cheap years of an ace.

    It's easier for Tampa to trade Price, because Price's value is only 2 cheap years of an ace.

    Teams begging Sox for Chris Sale

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    QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 07:47 PM)
    If your goal is to improve the minors yes. No team has more than one or two high ceiling guys who are proving their worth in the high minors. That's why trading Sale is so difficult. Hahn doesn't seem to want A ballers and rookie league players when he trades a big gun like Sale. Also again you say average without any valuation to their defense which is way above average . I know it's a hard concept to grasp but the Sox suck real bad.

    All defense, no offense players aren't that hard to find. You certainly don't need to use Sale to find them.

    I want the Sox to get better defensive players too...but not for him. I want to dump Ramirez et al for younger players, even if they can't hit. You only want those type of players up the middle anyway...never at a corner position.

    Teams begging Sox for Chris Sale

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    QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 07:15 PM)
    This smacks of the Jackson/Teahen deal.

     

    Don't devalue an important pitching asset just to get a smaller contract off the payroll. That move turned out to be a disaster considering the value Jackson SHOULD have had on the market.

     

    Don't do something asinine just to save a bit of money on Keppinger or Dunn.

     

    The Danks case is a different story...but in no way shape or form do you mess with Sale's potential return by forcing a fit (with two starting pitchers being in the deal) when you have the luxury of waiting for Danks to bounce back a bit more this season.

    Exactly.

    Teams begging Sox for Chris Sale

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    QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 03:09 PM)
    Since we're talking crazy trades....

     

    I don't even want a lot prospects if Sale goes to AZ you start with Corbin ,Gregorius, Parra, Polllock .They can keep Owings. We can give up Alexei and DeAza Then AZ can throw in Matt Davidson and Justin Williams. So basically...

     

    Sale for Corbin . Sale LH ace controlled til 2019 at very reasonable price. Corbin LH same age as Sale already very good but not the great contract Sale has.

     

    Alexei for Gregorius. Alexei 32 $10M a yr for next 2 years . Gregorius turning 24 in Feb. LH hitter very good fielder limited hitting skills.

     

    De Aza turning 30 in April LH decent power bad fielder bad baserunner for Parra turns 27 in May very good fielder not much power but LH.

     

    AJ Pollock OF Matt Davidson and Justin Williams for the great contract Sale has.

     

    Pretty lopsided in the Sox favor basically getting their best starting ptcher starting SS and 2 good fielding starting OF's a 3B prospect in Davidson and a low minors OF prospect who has very high upside in Williams . Az would never do it . Maybe Bradley instead of Corbin makes it a little more even but still heavily in our favor.

    If you're trading Sale, you do it for high ceiling players. There's a lot of average stuff in that proposal.

    Teams begging Sox for Chris Sale

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    Posted · Edited by GreenSox

    Sale is worth at least twice as much in prospects as Price. I just can't imagine a team willing to pay that price.

    And one reason is that the only reason a team would give up top prospects for an ace is because they are in a win now mode. Well they don't need the full 6 of Sale's cheap years....they just need 2 or 3. But we want to be paid for all 6.

    Hahn says trade talks have heated up.

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    Posted · Edited by GreenSox

    The problem with signing Choo is that we would still need a center fielder.

     

    As for Headlry, you need to stockpile young talen. Sign the Headleys, not trade for them. And really, he's had one really good year. Otherwise, he averages 16 homers and .350 obp...nice, but not super duper.

    Hahn says trade talks have heated up.

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    QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 8, 2013 -> 06:44 AM)
    The problem with this line of thinking is that IMO the free agent market right now is where players are overpriced while it seems like the trade market is where value is. So, you're paying a premium price while signing the guy on the FA market and yet when you try to trade your guys, you don't get an over-valued return on them.

    Right - the market is reflection of teams not wanting to give up their young prospects in a trade. They're willing to pay more for FA.

     

    So I'd say that if there is a bubble in this market, it is those teams willing to trade prospects...they should be able to get the player for a lower quality of prospect.

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