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QUOTE (chisoxfan310 @ Nov 16, 2013 -> 07:18 PM) And I don't understand why people knock his defense. Flowers and Phegley are terrible behind the plate Because it's not good. That our 2 guys weren't good doesn't make his D good. We need an upgrade defensively. Let's develop our pitching depth...don't trade it for replaceable players.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Nov 16, 2013 -> 11:10 AM) Then you're not gonna get him. He was bad defensively, yes, there's no denying that, but to me, I think the offensive payoff out weighs his defensive inefficiency. A round-about case and point is Alex Avila, who ranked worse defensively and we saw what that team did. A positive for Jaso is he didn't allow a single passed ball last year, where as Phegley and Flowers both allowed 8. His big problem is throwing guys out, and I think our LH heavy rotation will help with that. You're adding a bad defensive catcher to a team that was already horrid defensively. The bad defense was a major reason for our complete tanking of last year...I'd argue it was more of a factor in the tank aspect than the O. And for how long is this guy signed? I don't like trading with Beane anyway. Our track record isn't the best. We need to sign Salty...won't even cost a draft pick. We can then make some minor trades to shore up CF, 3B and the bullpen for a year or 2. We don't need to trade any of our pitching.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 06:11 PM) Hell no. If they can get Jaso for some lower level pitching prospects, it would be a great pickup. But to trade someone like Santiago for him would be crazy. WE sure as heck shouldn't trade real prospects for him. We don't need to make our D worse.

I'm sorry. A guy with a .287 OBP will cost c. Quintana? I'll take him - if we pay the price one should for a .287 obp hitter. WE've got plenty of complements to that around.

C FA 1B -Abreu 2B - Semien SS - Ramirez 3B - Gillespie RF - Garcia CF - FA LF - Viciedo DH - DeAza Bench: Garcia, Keppinger, Flowers, someone who can hit Dealt - Dunn, Beckham

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 10, 2013 -> 08:53 PM) For a team in transition, he is perfectly passable. There's no need to spend an exorbitant amount on a CF when the difference he will make is 72 or 76 wins. I don't understand why you'd want to spend a ton when it really won't matter this year. Who says I want to spend a ton? Don't need to spend a ton to improve on OF defense or to improve CF. The D was awful last year on this team. And who says we're in transition? We just made a big FA signing and we have a number 1 starter. I would probably keep DeAza, absent a good offer for him. Nothing wrong with a little depth. And if we can somehow move Dunn, he could play some DH and spell Vic in CF.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 10, 2013 -> 06:46 AM) If you want to outbid the Cubs, Red Sox, Mariners, etc., for Ellsbury, sure. Not going to happen. With the dollar figures being bandied around this offseason, the likes of Granderson and Saltalamacchia don't even make a whole lot of sense. If Marcus Semien wins ROY, we get a 725 OPS out of the catching spot and 750-775 out of 3B, as well as progression from Viciedo/Abreu/Garcia, then we can start talking about upgrading CF again. He very well be not worth trading for, but we certainly do need a CF. Da Aza is not passable.

QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Nov 9, 2013 -> 01:58 PM) Can't see the Sox going for him. The Sox don't really need to upgrade the OF, they got a lot more pressing areas like 3B and C that need attention. Who, pray tell, do we have to play CF? CF if a top need for this team.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 07:42 PM) It makes me think KW is running the team. That's his M.O. - low OBP, declining veterans.

What good is Sox offseason, if we can't sign more declining veterans that Williams fell in love with 5 years ago?

I realize it was garbage time, but the manager would put the worst hitter on the team, L Garcia, at lead-off when he played.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 7, 2013 -> 10:14 AM) But he did have Shin-Soo Choo sacrifice bunt 3 times this year. He also batted Brandon Phillips cleanup in the playoffs between Votto and Bruce - after Brandon Phillips put up a .706 OPS this year. Believe me, I don't want either one of them managing the White Sox. I thought Hahn was from the new-breed of baseball thinkers.

Baker never intentionally walked Chris Getz.

I vote for a strong retool. Basically every starter except for A Garcia should be replaced. they absolutely should deal De Aza, who as a decent hitter, might bring something in return, but whose brain dead play needs to be off this team. Ramirez too. They need a complete culture change, but obviously that wont' happen because of the retention of Ventura.

The Sox need to move out a lot of dead wood: Ramirez and De Aza for sure; Dunn would be number 1, but it's not realistic. We need a new culture here. Move Viciedo and Beckham too. Tired of players that swing at the ball in the dirt. Sox need a lot more OBP too, as well as power. I'm fine with trading Santiago if you get full value.

It's scapegoat time on the Southside. Can't possibly be Robin's fault. He's even clowning it up in garbage time. Gotta put the worst hitter at leadoff, L Garcia, because he has speed!

Robin, if you care about the White Sox, resign. You didn't do the necessary work to ready yourself for this position and it shows. And you know it.

What has Manto done to get canned? He didn't intentionally walk Chris Getz. He didn't pitch Reed 8/11 days or 6 in a row when the season was beyond lost. He didn't start bunting and doing other choke maneuvers with a 3 game lead with 3 weeks to go. He didn't manage the team to 100 losses. He wasn't responsible for lack of fundamental play, season long clowning on the basepaths or poor defense. He didn't automatically intentionally walk an opposing batter whenever a base was open with less than 2 outs in a walk off situation (that poor decision-making itself cost the Sox several games this season). I guess what Manto has done is that he did not play for the Sox in the 1990s. Manto may be a bad coach, but Ventura is incompetent at this point in his career. He should manage in the minors for 5 years and then try this again.

It's outrageous, really. Lose a 100 games with a team that they thought was a fringe-contender, and bring back the manager. The only reason is because his name is Ventura. Just as soon sign De Wayne Wise back and his .267 career OBP to be the top bench bat again.

And then there's the VEntura strategy. Over-use pitchers, never sit Alexei (he still won't in September garbage time) intentionally walk Chris Getz...heck, whenever a team has a runner on and base open when they can walk off, intentionally walk the batter to clog the base (that nonsense has cost us several games). 2 runners on down 2 in the 9th? Bunt the ball. He's a lousy manager all the way around.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 11:43 PM) Why does Robin all of a sudden want to manage forever? If his stance has completely changed, my guess is he'll sign that multi-year extension if it's offered again this offseason. If we suck defensively and on the basepaths again next year, Robin should be on the hotseat. He probably won't be, though, cause Sox are not going to be in the news much next season if we are out of it in May. My guess is attendance also will take a big hit this time if we suck a second consecutive season. Next season? What, pray tell, has he done to keep his job after this season? If his name weren't Robin Ventura, he'd out a week from yesterday.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 20, 2013 -> 04:59 PM) He gets one more year at the very least. Ozzie had a year like this and they won a division the next season. Remind me what year that was again when Ozzie won 60? It must be nice when the non-performing employee get to decide whether he stays or not.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 15, 2013 -> 12:01 PM) And as far as I can tell the team forgot to hire any staff other than a pitching coach this season, that hurts too. Can't figure out what they were thinking going into the season with no manager or practice. Let's just hope they hire professional manager next year, instead of a JR/KW fav.

I don't root for the Sox to lose. I do root for the Astros, marlins, Cubs, Brewers, Padres, Giants, Twins to win though. (did I miss anybody?).

Axe looks finished. But Ventura leaving him in to give up 8 hits and 2 walks over 2 innings is amateur hour. Ventura had to see all 8 hits and 2 walks to decide he didn't have it?