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QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:00 AM) True True, but Edwards is rising up the charts. The Cubs are banking on Olt and Grimm becoming immediate players on their big league team. I don't think either are that great. The Rangers have been waiting on Olt for what seems like forever. Are the Sox looking for the same or are they willing to bring in kids that will need another year or two of seasoning. I think Peavy is better than Garza, but he is also injury prone so their values may actually be similar. I suspect the Sox will get 3-4 prospect for Peavy with 2 of them being low minors players with good 'tools' and a nice ceiling (but could also bust) and a couple other 'solid' prospects. I don't think we get anyone's top 1 or 2 prospecct. I think the Garza return would be reasonable. I don't know whether we'd settle for that (we should) nor do I know whether Boston has even offered that. Their fans go crazy over the mention of Boston daring to trade Middlebrooks (perhaps the equivalent of Olt, but both have been downgraded), and I doubt that they've offered a 4th/5th starter equivalent to Grimm (I'd take Felix), nor the 2 high-end pitchers in the low-minors. My guess is that they haven't come up with that Garza-like package and want us to take their Rule 5 eligibles, of which they have several. I"m looking back to Atlanta. They need him and Peavy fits that park.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 09:40 AM) I disagree. Unless we're really, really close on something (medicals), I'd start him. I think we give up some leverage by holding him out. Starting him sends a message to other teams that we're willing to move on with him in our rotation if we don't get solid offers. Hahn's first sign of weakness, IMHO. We'd send the message that Hahn means what he says. Meanwhile, we'd still have Peavy and we need to move him (and Rios et al) Cut your nose to spite your face. We know from the media generally what the Sox are asking for for Peavy, we know Boston et al don't want to pay it, but we don't know what they've countered with nor what we're willing to settle for. If we are inflexible off of top 50 prospects, I don't think we move him.

QUOTE (WKamm @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 01:11 AM) If Keppinger, Dunn, Ramirez, and Flowers are still here after the deadline, it will be a failure on the Sox part. They should be able to move Ramirez, but are probably hesitant and want too much (as of now) as we have zero replacement. Keppinger and Flowers - no. They're awful. No contender wants them. Slugginng DHs are out of favor unless you hit like David Ortiz. WE could have moved him, but the Sox don't like picking up 75% of salary.

It would be absurd for Peavy to start tonight. We'd knock down his value 5% or so by starting him. I suspect Hahn will knock down his demands and settle for a Garza like package. I didn't figure Peavy to bring a top 50 prospect.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 06:34 PM) As a Rios basher, I have to laugh at that tweet, the way it was worded. "Desperately trying to dump Rios." Interesting take on Dunn. I was thinking after reading this. What IF a contender acquired Dunn and he actually listened to the batting coach and manager who DEMANDED he simply try to get bat on ball and elevate?? He actually has tools to work with. Look ... in my untrained opinion, the guy hits a s*** ton of home runs when he simply tries to make contact and get it up in the air. Sounds like they quoted me. But what I'm really trying to figure out is how are the posts that you quoted timed later than your post in which you quoted them?

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 08:03 PM) Interesting. Was Lindstrom really seen patting his teammates backs? Seems odd that it would happen that quickly? You'd think if you were that close, you wouldn't have even had him make an appearance? I smell BS on the hugs comment. That said, I hope Lindstrom was dealt and I hope we got 1 or 2 raw arms (similar to what we got for Jason Frasor). More likely Ventura used him as a situational right handed pitcher. They used a lefty pinch hitter, so they put in Veal.

Beachy getting shelled tonight. It's not too late, Braves!

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 06:16 PM) I like Rick Hanh. Keep pissin em off Rick. Amen!

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 05:58 PM) UPDATE, 6:27: Rays executive VP Andrew Friedman said it is "too early to speculate on exactly when" Crain will be ready to resume pitching but he had extreme confidence the Rays medical staff can make it happen. Friedman said when healthy, Crain "is among the best relief pitchers in the game,'' noting his ability to get out right- and left-handers. Crain is expected to join the Rays on Wednesday. The compensation likely won't be worked out until after the season, though Friedman said the framework is in place. UPDATE, 5:34: The Rays have made the deal offiicial, and announced it for "players to be named later or cash considerations.'' The Rays added Crain to the 40-man roster but kept him on the 15-day DL. To make room on the 40-man roster, they shifted Brandon Gomes to the 60-day DL, though he is close to being reinstated. UPDATE, 5:22: The Rays are giving up future considerations, likely tied to how much Crain pitches. tampabay.com/sports Good info. Thanks That makes sense...contingent upon his outings, not the results.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 05:58 PM) Your desperate to get rid of who? What team do you own? Desperate for the Sox to rid themselves of Rios. I can't take the lollygagging. Yes, obviously, prospects are much preferred.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 05:54 PM) Why would the Sox take a guy who is a FA at the end of the season? I'm desperate to get rid of him. And I thought Pence had another year.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 05:44 PM) Moving De Aza really doesn't clear a lot of salary. He's worth more than a B prospect. Is he? He's a bad CF. We have no position for him, unless we give up on Viciedo. I hope we can move one of those guys at least.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 05:40 PM) Rios and Pence have very similar stats. Pence is definitely a better addition to a clubhouse and has a nice reputation. Rios has another year on his contract. I am sure the two will make sense for different teams. How about we trade Rios for Pence?

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 05:38 PM) For sure but it is the defense too. It has been awful for him, capped by the four error game a couple starts ago. That will jump anyone's pitch count For sure. I think it's safe to say all of our pitchers have been hurt by our defense, and it's well beyond unearned runs and errors. 48 hours from now, I'd take a B prospect for Rios, Alexei and De Aza. We can clear a lot of salary and get replacement level players who at least won't clown around like these 3. Could also get a defensive catcher too.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 05:15 PM) Hector Santiago in his first 18 career starts: 5-4, 2.94 ERA, 10.2 SO/9, 1.22 WHIP I'd have to imagine you are talking about a top 25 prospect combined with another top 50 type and then more around that package to even think about trading him. He should improve more than anyone with better defense, even if he strikes a lot of guys out. That is because his biggest problem right now is pitch count. It will also help when we actually groom him as a starter. The high pitch count is a result of being a strike-out pitcher and he walks too many batters. But experience might fix that and then we have a stud. He's got a high ceiling I think. He doesn't through insanely hard, but a lot of K pitchers don't.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 05:27 PM) I don't know if that's comparable. Latos had two good full seasons under his belt when he was traded and even if they were in SD that's more of a track record than Hector. While I don't necessarily agree with it, one major sportswriter (cannot remember who) had compared a potential Sale return looking like the Latos return. I think Sale would demand a much better return than Latos and Hector would demand a lesser return. Quintana is your comp. But if we dangle Santiago, all the sabre-metric teams will be over him, trying to get him at a discount (and that the Sox undervalue him worries me). That's why Oakland was on Peavy I think...they dig deeper than ERA.

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 05:18 PM) On Crain: #WhiteSox and #Rays will negotiate cash/player combo going to CWS over next several weeks. -- ROSENTHAL Haven't we lost our leverage by doing it that way? Doesn't sound like it was that complicated of a trade.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 02:37 PM) That's what I don't get posters thinking teams would like to have him. Right now, offensively he is 13th in baseball as a RF. Average. Since June 1 he has a .665 OPS. That is what Paul Konerko has put up this year. Plus with perceived motivational issues, why would anyone pick up that contract, let alone give you anything of significance for that opportunity? I would be okay if we just gave him away if we can't get anything by 11:59 on Wednesday. His lollygagging has to go.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 05:08 PM) Good news is we should have answers soon. If Peavy is on the mound tomorrow then Rick wasnt fooling around. It also means we'll trade him for less than we would than does he not take the mound, which is what I'm concerned about. They need to build around Sale, Quintana and Santiago, not Jake Peavy.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 05:06 PM) I'm not sure what any of this has to do with my post. My point is simple. As of right now, Quintana is, and has been, a better pitcher. Nobody has suggested "selling low" on either. And all I was saying is that we shouldn't give Santiago away for a low OBP corner infielder with no power. We've got that already.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 04:36 PM) The Sox could have a rotation with Sale/Peavy/Hector/Danks and have a winning team combining that with massively good FA/scrap heap finds. It's not outside the realm of reality. It's possible but they have that rotation right now, and they have a horrendously bad team. But scraps would probably improve this team defensively. To do that they really need to get rid of Rios, Alexei and De Aza or some combination thereof. Re money, we sent money to Tampa with Crain, so it doesn't exactly sound like that's the sticking point. We just don't want Oakland's scraps.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 04:56 PM) Quintana's getting better as well and has a better track record. You might be able to project Santiago to have a higher ceiling because he throws about 1 mph harder, but Quintana is the better pitcher. Santiago has more out-pitches. He's been a starter less than 1/2 a season. He needs to get his control fixed. Selling him low would be asinine. If anyone needs to be sold low it's Peavy. Save payroll, get younger. And for sure we don't need more low obp hitters.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 04:43 PM) Santiago misses more bats. Quintana has had much better results. As of today, Quintana > Santiago. Better but not that much better. Santiago's also getting better. We would be more likely to get full value for Quintana than Santiago. Both are good young pitchers...Peavy's the one we need to trade. We don't need more past their prime veterans or Ozzie-style low obp hitters.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 04:01 PM) I can honestly see a deal like Santiago for Lawrie + low level prospect. Or Santiago for Ackley + prospects. Not these deals exactly but something along the lines of these. For some reason I just feel like the Sox are aware they can make SP and equally aware they cannot make hitters. What? Santiago is just coming into his own and is pitching at a high level. People on here want top prospects for Quintana? Santiago's better. So we want to dump him for a 3B with zero power and a mediocre OBP? Then we should take the Middlebrooks deal with Boston. It does scare me that Ventura seems to think he's a middle reliever, so we may give him away like this. Santiago's getting better....that's not who we need to trade

Bundy's the only chance of an elite prospect for Peavy. He'd be a steal.