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QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 24, 2014 -> 09:43 AM) Grandal has had less than 500 ML PA, and only have of them have been bad. And really, not THAT bad -- he's accumulated 3.1 fWAR over those 500PA, which equates to a very decent seasons, and is better than any stretch of 500 PA in Beckham's career. Why do we think we can get Grandal for cheap? Same logic people think anyone can take Beckham for nothing. Similar career pattern. Beckham for a few more years; but is having a better year this year.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 24, 2014 -> 06:52 AM) The only concern is that he's a total hacker (61/7 K/BB), but otherwise Anderson appears to be more advanced than initially believed. Hacking is a big concern. It often translates into big problems hitting ML pitching, as per the White Sox hitters. This is where development comes in - good issue for him to work on for a while in the minors.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 24, 2014 -> 09:16 AM) At some point he will if he's healthy. Cooper said before the draft that Rodon was the closest of the 4 the Sox were looking at, and the FO put out the "fast track" stuff immediately. I think he'll see some time this year out of the pen and will probably prepare in the offseason for a starting spot, whether it is here or at Charlotte to begin the year. He shouldn't be anywhere near this team this year, and start that arb clock rolling.

At least be consistent. If Beckham is worth a zero value failed prospect, we should be able to get Grandal for a Jared Mitchell or Erik Johnson (were he to have a surgery to 2).

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 23, 2014 -> 09:01 PM) Beckham sucks... except for when his trade value is talked about. He has some trade value. A lot more than a failed former prospect.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jun 23, 2014 -> 08:22 PM) Is it weird that I'm still pissed the Sox didn't call up Tom Collaro in 2007 when everything went to s***? Sure he would have struck out in 80% of his AB's but it would have been FUUUUUNNNNNN. Heck, we wouldn't bring up Gio Gonzales in 2007. Guillen had enough of Ryan Sweeney after 2 weeks...he insisted on Jerry Owens.

Reclamation is fine. But you don't trade Beckham for a reclamation project. Drabek is 27 and has had a dreadful career. You get him off the heap and hope you can fix him.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 23, 2014 -> 03:14 PM) Kyle Drabek (he's not the centerpiece, just another name to randomly blurt out. Numbers aren't impressive but the pedrigree is) he's he the poster boy of a failed former top prospect? Much prefer promising A and AA pitchers.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 04:18 PM) Well, except for the whole power thing. yea he's not a great hitter. But his 6/17 with a triple exceeds: Alexei 2/16 with a double Dunn 2/14, 3 walks, no extra base hits. And I'm sure most others as well.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 04:12 PM) How many guys did he leave on base with RISP this series a TON, batting average does not mean end all beat all. No it doesn't but when you did hit .352, it's rather tough to legitimately complain about him. I get hit when players hit .280 and sport .300 OBPs.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 04:05 PM) Conor has had a rough series on offense. He was 6/17, .352.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 03:37 PM) Erik Johnson needs to face a lineup filled with jared mitchell, matt davidson and Keenyn Walker. If Mitchell, Davidson, and Walker could face a staff that features starters Donnie Veal and Dylan Axelrod, they could get healthy in a hurry.

Why would Diego want Towers back?

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 03:55 PM) If they do trade Alexei, they better get a hell of a haul or it will set the organization back for quite a few years. How so? He's worth a couple of wins a year and is 32. They should be shopping him.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 02:24 PM) Jose Bautista and Brett Lawrie both left the game with injuries today. If I'm Rick Hahn, I'd call them and say Gordon Beckham and De Aza is available. What for them to call us - improves our leverage. On another note, Peavy's a 5th starter now, if that. We made a good move dealing him when he still had value left.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 02:48 PM) We're to the point they can just blow up this whole roster besides Abreu, Sale, Quintana, Eaton and Gillaspie...and even considering Conor part of that core is pushing it. Then Garcia coming back next year, and you probably hold onto Petricka and Webb as well. So about 8 players. And we won't be able to trade Danks, so we're stuck with him, thus making it 9. yep, that's pretty much the core. But it gets tougher and tougher to trade the non-core guys as their value craters. We could have moved De Aza in the offseason - not anymore. Ramirez and Beckham could be moved, but most teams are probably just wanting to assume salary. They could hold onto any number in the bullpen - Putnam has pitched the best of all of them. They also could and should trade any bullpen pitcher for whom a good offer is made.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 07:59 AM) I have thought of this as a problem already. If Davidson gets back to where he was at the time of the trade, the lack of dh and missing pieces in the of, where can the sox best use Davidson. 1b / db and let him and Abreu share time dh'ing. of course I am mentioning this for the offseason going forward, That's why I wouldn't trade or sign one of those 1b/DH/3b guys unless it was the final piece of the puzzle. Maybe this July season will be a seller's market. But I wouldn't count on it. With these MLB teams awash in cash, they'll likely look for taking salary before giving up prospects.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 12:06 PM) Has it been determined if he is going to start or relieve? A high 2nd round draft choice as a relief pitcher?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 21, 2014 -> 06:38 PM) They're not going to throw money at Hanley Ramirez, either. Chase Headley is a possibility, simply because he's been so terrible for the Padres for two seasons now...but it always comes back to the fact they don't want to have Abreu DHing full-time at this point in his career. So you can't really move Conor or Davidson to 1B. If we want another declining veteran, go get Headley - and be sure to put up a couple of our best prospects to get him so we can get full deja vu. He's had one great season and a couple of high OBP, Low-power years....what Gillaspie's giving us.

Abreu's probably the best choice for #3, but he's not an ideal #3 either. Gillaspie should bat 2nd. Ideally Dunn would be 6th or so in the lineup, but on this team, he's got to bat up more. Just a lot of holes on this team. Just keep acquiring young talent.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 21, 2014 -> 03:44 PM) Yeah. Giving up a draft pick to sign a pitcher in the offseason is a stupid idea. The Sox are still in the process of acquiring young, cost-controlled players. Shields or another free agent pitcher that costs you resources besides money will not happen in my opinion. And it should not happen. This team has maybe 5-6 above average players and only 2 all star level players. A lot more talent is needed before talks of "going for it" make any sense at all.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 21, 2014 -> 03:44 PM) Yeah. Giving up a draft pick to sign a pitcher in the offseason is a stupid idea. The Sox are still in the process of acquiring young, cost-controlled players. Shields or another free agent pitcher that costs you resources besides money will not happen in my opinion. And it should not happen. This team has maybe 5-6 above average players and only 2 all star level players. A lot more talent is needed before talks of "going for it" make any sense at all.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 10:47 PM) "We could have used 'Downsie' in that situation but Joe is good against lefties," Ventura said. "That isn't necessarily the one (we would bring a lefty in to face). But there are times when it would be nice to have another one down there but our (right-handers), some guys are good against lefties." Actually Mauer was hitting .220 against lefties with no home runs in 91 at-bats. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,4864096.story Stunningly incompetent.

Extending the hapless Ventura, to me, is Hahn's major goof as GM. Of course, that could have been forced from above.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 01:07 PM) Hey if someone wants to do the Haren deal for Q then I do it. But no, dumping him for s*** is not a good idea. Not that all the Ms players are s*** or anything but given the amount of $$$, quality, youth, the fact that he can pitch just fine in a hitters park in the AL, etc. you ask for a ton & maybe you throw him out there as a counter to Price. But only for a major haul, and I'd rather go quantity of quality Vs. 3 players headlined by some prospect who everyone loves now but who in the end is probably way overhyped. I agree. And that's often why you go for prospects in high A, but higher end and more of them. they haven't rotted on the vine, always a risk with AAA prospects. All these guys except for a few of your players should have a price. No giveaways, and not even "fair deals" for players like Q, but where we get a surplus in return for another team's high need or desperation.