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QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 03:27 PM) It was his first start back and Maholm is coming back soon. Would be a overreaction to bench him at this point, considering the haul Hahn wants for Peavy. Both are undependable. And the Braves aren't that strong at the top of their rotation either. Peavy fits their park. Oakland and St Louis both have stronger staffs. And the price isn't that outrageous...sounds like 1 top 50 and a couple of other good prospects.

I'm surprised Atlanta hasn't checked back in. Beachy was awful last night. Maybe they think they have their division locked up and their top 3 are good enough.

On a side note, this Pirates TV announcer is almost as obnoxious as Hawk.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 03:10 PM) That makes too much sense. Why can't the Sox in the past ever pull off deals like that? They have no risk in this scenario. Get Peavy for almost free this year, dump him in the offseason to a big-money team. Pretty brilliant. Hopefully he doesn't pull it off.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 02:52 PM) I hope some WSI mods are reading and know that they have a HUGE factor in the amount of readers in this thread. WSI website has been down for the last day.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 02:52 PM) I hope some WSI mods are reading and know that they have a HUGE factor in the amount of readers in this thread. WSI website has been down for the last day.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 02:32 PM) I am not sure what the fascination with Holmberg is around here. Is it because he was a former Sox farmhand? People like names they know I guess. His 6.2 K/9 in AA doesn't really excite me. agree Low Ceiling

QUOTE (beautox @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 02:04 PM) Eaton, Owings Holmberg Davidson in that order Holmberg would be a disappointing centerpiece.

I noticed last night that Lindstrom pitched to one batter. Ventura has never used him purely as a situational righty before. Perhaps showcasing him a little....his splits are still strong against right handed hitters.

Yea, Kubel could help even out the money and that might work if we dump Rios. The Sox certainly have been willing to add overpaid veterans in the past. But Phil acts like he's a centerpiece.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 01:37 PM) Move Gillaspie to first. Yikes

They're tweeting now that Peavy, Rios and Alexei all go to Pirates. "They" are unreliable tweeters. But heck, who is reliable? Certainly not Ken Rosenthal

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 01:19 PM) https://twitter.com/ChiTribRogers/status/362276040808202240 No, Phil. Go away. Kubel? LOL LOL

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 11:34 AM) Supposedly Oakland's plan if they got Peavy, was to trade him this winter. So Beane probably offered less than they could get for him this winter, hoping to rent him for free, and perhaps a little profit, the last 2/3 months.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 11:12 AM) I dont get why people are just errantly hoping for a trade You have to hear what the trade is and then decide if you like it or not. Certainly I don't want anymore giveaways like we did with Jackson. But I think Hahn, assuming he's given free reign, should be skilled enough to get offers at least equal to what the Cubs got. And we should take one of those offers. Plus, this "We can build around Peavy" stuff, while likely just GM-speak, is still just, well, too absurd to be believed.

They covet Sale and Bud Norris? That's like coveting a Mercedes and a Malibu.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:10 AM) Yes, if Peavy (or somebody else) isn't traded before gametime, they would have to send somebody down in order to make room for Rienzo. Troncoso is an obvious candidate. I'd like to see Axe get some good relief work. He pitches with a lot of heart and guts.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 06:44 AM) Keith Law speculated on BBTN that if he doesn't pitch or hardly pitches, we'll get 25K or something just to make it technically a trade with the commissioner's office That means that Tampa absorbs zero of the risk that he can't return from the DL. Thus, if gets healthy and pitches , we should get closer to the package of players we would have gotten were he not on the DL.

QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:00 AM) True True, but Edwards is rising up the charts. The Cubs are banking on Olt and Grimm becoming immediate players on their big league team. I don't think either are that great. The Rangers have been waiting on Olt for what seems like forever. Are the Sox looking for the same or are they willing to bring in kids that will need another year or two of seasoning. I think Peavy is better than Garza, but he is also injury prone so their values may actually be similar. I suspect the Sox will get 3-4 prospect for Peavy with 2 of them being low minors players with good 'tools' and a nice ceiling (but could also bust) and a couple other 'solid' prospects. I don't think we get anyone's top 1 or 2 prospecct. I think the Garza return would be reasonable. I don't know whether we'd settle for that (we should) nor do I know whether Boston has even offered that. Their fans go crazy over the mention of Boston daring to trade Middlebrooks (perhaps the equivalent of Olt, but both have been downgraded), and I doubt that they've offered a 4th/5th starter equivalent to Grimm (I'd take Felix), nor the 2 high-end pitchers in the low-minors. My guess is that they haven't come up with that Garza-like package and want us to take their Rule 5 eligibles, of which they have several. I"m looking back to Atlanta. They need him and Peavy fits that park.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 09:40 AM) I disagree. Unless we're really, really close on something (medicals), I'd start him. I think we give up some leverage by holding him out. Starting him sends a message to other teams that we're willing to move on with him in our rotation if we don't get solid offers. Hahn's first sign of weakness, IMHO. We'd send the message that Hahn means what he says. Meanwhile, we'd still have Peavy and we need to move him (and Rios et al) Cut your nose to spite your face. We know from the media generally what the Sox are asking for for Peavy, we know Boston et al don't want to pay it, but we don't know what they've countered with nor what we're willing to settle for. If we are inflexible off of top 50 prospects, I don't think we move him.

QUOTE (WKamm @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 01:11 AM) If Keppinger, Dunn, Ramirez, and Flowers are still here after the deadline, it will be a failure on the Sox part. They should be able to move Ramirez, but are probably hesitant and want too much (as of now) as we have zero replacement. Keppinger and Flowers - no. They're awful. No contender wants them. Slugginng DHs are out of favor unless you hit like David Ortiz. WE could have moved him, but the Sox don't like picking up 75% of salary.

It would be absurd for Peavy to start tonight. We'd knock down his value 5% or so by starting him. I suspect Hahn will knock down his demands and settle for a Garza like package. I didn't figure Peavy to bring a top 50 prospect.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 06:34 PM) As a Rios basher, I have to laugh at that tweet, the way it was worded. "Desperately trying to dump Rios." Interesting take on Dunn. I was thinking after reading this. What IF a contender acquired Dunn and he actually listened to the batting coach and manager who DEMANDED he simply try to get bat on ball and elevate?? He actually has tools to work with. Look ... in my untrained opinion, the guy hits a s*** ton of home runs when he simply tries to make contact and get it up in the air. Sounds like they quoted me. But what I'm really trying to figure out is how are the posts that you quoted timed later than your post in which you quoted them?

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 08:03 PM) Interesting. Was Lindstrom really seen patting his teammates backs? Seems odd that it would happen that quickly? You'd think if you were that close, you wouldn't have even had him make an appearance? I smell BS on the hugs comment. That said, I hope Lindstrom was dealt and I hope we got 1 or 2 raw arms (similar to what we got for Jason Frasor). More likely Ventura used him as a situational right handed pitcher. They used a lefty pinch hitter, so they put in Veal.

Beachy getting shelled tonight. It's not too late, Braves!