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QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 1, 2007 -> 09:42 PM) The payroll has gone up each year along with the increase in attendance which has taken a hit this season, I doubt we see anything close to a $8M-$10M increase in payroll next year, that just doesn't seem to make sense going by the history. An $8-$10 mill increase would be mostly used by Dye or his replacement. That's why we need some young talent in this organization badly. And Contreras isn't helping sucking out $10 mill. Williams has a tough job on his hands developing a real offense for next season.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 02:25 PM) Who cares if he strikes out a bit? If it means he's taking strong cuts and is hitting 20-30 homers, I could care less. Then why not keep Dye if that's all that counts? Pena is also in an arbitration year...he's a rental unless you offer him arbitration. 20 homers, crummy defense and lots of ks really isn't that hard to find.

QUOTE(DonnyDevito @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 03:42 PM) a team like the braves would overpay for someone like Bobby jenks. he's so young and already a perenial all star. there are a few contending teams that don't have a closer ever near Bobby Jenk's level. If I read correctly, the Rangers just got the Braves' top 3 prospects. Where do we sign up?

Just what we need - more career middle relievers. More Siscos, MacDougals, Riskes and Aardsmas. That's worked so much better than developing young players like Jenks and Thorntons; and the price of those middle relievers is immense. Why would the Sox even consider doing that? We should be trading our mediocre middle relievers. Hell Bucvich's stats are a lot better than he really is...any chance a team will fall for our pitcher who has an ERA below 4? (but pitches like his ERA is 10) You don't ignore middle relief. You build it with quality, including your young pitchers. Trading Gio for Qualls would be laughably stupid. Loading it up with mediocre veterans, which is what Williams did last year, usually fails and it did. HOpefully Williams really wasn't trying to get Turnbow on the Sox. Mercy, would that have been bad.

Ozzie didn't like harris, so he got Williams to trade for the woeful Cintron.

We shouldn't accept $.30 on the dollar, but there's no reason why we have to. There will be some serious offers for some of our players. But we do need new players. This team had a lot of bad luck this year, but some of it isn't just bad luck....it's a declining team and talent.

We need players who can hit the ball off and over walls as well. Hitters like Dye was the prior 2 years. We need speed, but please no more Ozzie-style singles hitters.

The only managerial skill Ozzie Guillen has ever displayed is the ability to keep the team confident and playing to their abilities. Now he can't even do that. Otherwise, he's a clown manager. A shift on a .200 hitter - that's just cynical. His staff is ridiculously weak, the team can't execute fundamentals, the hitters are impatient, the use of personnel is nutty (cintron as a pinch hitter; killing our defense with Mack in CF last year; Erstad as a leadoff hitter), his pitching acumen is limited to lefty/righty, he throws young players under the bus and has expressed disinterest in working with young players, he has yet to develop a single hitter, et al et al et al. Thank goodness we won before Ozzie had worked his magic and turned the entire offense into a bunch of dink hitter swing at everything types that he loves.

What would Rogers possibly think the Sox would do with Jones? He's a one sided player, he's getting worse and he's way overpaid. We don't want or need him. This is a proposal aimed at helping the cubs...period. If he were serious, he might say 2 prospects and leave the completely useless Jones out of it. QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 8, 2007 -> 01:33 PM) Here are the impact guys I look for. milledge Pelfrey Impact you say? Pelphrey's 0-7 with a 6+ ERA It's a testament to the media power of NY that those 2 are considered by the media as "top prospects"

We need a power-hitting right fielder and a leadoff hitter in left or at second. If we get that, I'll give yall rowand.

What's Hudson's contractual situation? He looks about like Iguchi. Not much of an upgrade. But he's a switch hitter - Ozzie will like that. Can platoon him with Cintron. We need a lot more for a starting pitcher than another Iguchi.

Good to see Cintron starting both games of the doube header. He's one of Ozzie's boys. Ozzie finally got a team filled with his style of player, and it will be lucky to win 75 games, despite pretty good starting pitching. Thank you, Ozzie.

I think MacDougal would be a fair comparison for a Thornton trade. We sent two live arms to KC. They were A ball arms, so you don't know how they'll mature. The price was fair; just wish MacDougal was better.

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Jul 5, 2007 -> 02:47 PM) I don't see how you can say that. I'll take him over KW in a heartbeat. Look at the Sox minor league system and then look at Boston's. The Red Sox make the White Sox draft & development organization look like chumps. Pena would be the best OF on the Sox in 2007. Probably would be in 2008 as well (Rowand-Erstad-Sweeney should be fun to watch..or not). I'd trade Buehrle for Pena and a B prospect. That would probably be a better package than the Sox will get. It's not a ridiculous proposal at all IMO. Buehrle is a 3 month rental, he doesn't have tremendous trade value. Mark Beuhrle for a stiff like Pena and a B prospect is completely ridiculous. But you don't think anyone on the Sox has trade value: I believe you said we should trade Garland for 2 B prospects. Try some subtlety - you're too obvious. Theo has a much higher budget than the Sox (like far and away the 2nd highest in baseball) and not the strongest farm system himself. I didn't see Kenny Williams sign Julio Lugo for $25 mill (or whatever it was).

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jul 5, 2007 -> 04:35 PM) the only problem with that is that Buehrle is also our only real trading chip for top talent. Unless KW decides to deal Jenks. Actually any of the signed pitchers - Garland or Vasquez - would likely bring a lot more than a rent of Buehrle

He may have left him in a shade too long, but I can't seriously fault him. I don't think Guillen is much of a manager...his strategy is limited to lefty/righty (I doubt his staff provides him the info to make deeper decisions); he has zero interest in developing young talent, to the severe deteriment of the team; overall, he has assembled a weak staff with no one manager material in the future; and most of all, I disagree with his offensive philosophy of hack at everything. But I can't get on him about this.

Can't some of these stiffs play decent for a couple of games so we can get something for them. Garb from Jose, another goosegg from Dye. Awful.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 2, 2007 -> 09:09 PM) The scary thing is that I'm sure KW and company overrate Reyes so much. REyes is 0-10 this year; zero and ten. Williams may think he can turn him around...fine, find some disgruntled Sox prospect and trade him for Reyes...he should be a throw-in, not a centerpiece, of a Buehrle trade.

Any position or offensive player I'd be willing to move for a fair price. I wouldn't dump, but I'd listen. I'd keep Javy, Garland, MB and Danks I'd probably keep Jenks, absent a huge offer.

QUOTE(Craig Grebeck @ Jul 2, 2007 -> 11:38 PM) WHO f***ING CARES IF THEY ARE FORMER ROYALS? Still the most overused and meaningless reason for this team being s***ty. A s***ty player is a s***ty player, whether or not they played for the Royals. Newsflash: the Royals are eons more talented than we are. They should worry about having our trash. Let's see - you don't excel on a team that wins 60 games a year...yeah, I think it's relevant. I'd ask - who gives a crap about how many Ks you get, if you struggle getting people out otherwise.

QUOTE(oz615 @ Jul 2, 2007 -> 10:41 PM) This is this 1st time ever,that I'm already thinking about Football before the All-Star Break.That's hod bad it is. I guess you missed the 70s and most of the 80s.

IN the last 2 years, Buckholz failed on the Royals and the Rangers. To bring him on a potential champion's staff..... Well, Sisco and macdougal were ex Royals too. And then there's Aardsma.... Our pen did/does not have the greatest pedigree. Failed Rangers, Royals and Cubs.

Another brilliantly managed game by Ozzie.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 30, 2007 -> 02:16 PM) I don't know. I don't have time to meamorize stats. Last time I checked he wasn't doing horrible. What would they give us for one of these pitchers? A real, legitimate top rank prospect? If so, great. Otherwise, why bother trading? And we certainly don't need one of the spare mediocre outfielders.

QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 04:53 PM) He went 3 for 4 today with a double and a CS. Hard to figure this kid out. He can be absolutely lost looking on his at bats and then have games where he gets 3 or 4 hits. I thought he was an infielder though. He plays about all the time in the OF, which has been a problem the Sox have had before-using people out of position. Gonzales is an infielder but he's playing outfield because we need outfielders. Ozzie has little interest in working with our real prospects. If Gonzalez or Torrero hit .220, from the top of the order, it's okay with Ozzie. If Anderson or Sweeney do it in the 8 and 9 hole, Ozzie knocks them out of the lineup. It's absolutely ridiculous. We're going nowhere with Ozzie as manager if we have to depend on young hitters.