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This is a big problem because we have no one else who can come close to hitting a competent lead-off. If anybody can take a walk on this team, you go to the head of the class and hit lead-off. That was the problem with the Vasquz trade - at the least, we dealt a lot of depth (bullpen; CF) to fill a position that, arguably, wasn't a hole anyway.

QUOTE(Whitewashed in '05 @ Jan 29, 2006 -> 12:54 PM) Win another world series in 06 vs. getting some prospects for the future. I'll take winning another world series. Unless someone seriously overpays for Count he isn't going anywhere. But that's not exactly the choice. How much does Contreras help us win this year? Some, but how much? And you can never guarantee yourself the world's series. I remember so many wanted to throw in any and all young talent to get the great AJ Burnett for a midseason rental. I have a different philosophy than many. I think you have a much better chance at rings if you give yourself more chances at rings, versus loading up a team for 1 year and trying to force a WS. With our payroll, there's no reason that we don't contend 7/10 years. And young players are a piece of that. It doesn't mean you constantly backtrack like Cleveland does and Montreal did. But with Jose, we are dealing from strength/surplus; the the loot is big enough, I'd take it.

Nothing wrong with trading for prospects. You can load up a team with all stars all you want, but anything can happen - baseball is about odds and percentages - the best teams lose 35% of the time; the best hitters every fail 60+% of the time. Same with prospects - out of a pool of 10 top prospects, you may get 2 that can play MLB - but those 2 are important, absent an unlimited budget. We'll have 3 rookies playing key roles on the Sox this year - and that's with an upper tier payroll. Jose certainly will make us a stronger team. But we are a contender withoout him; top prospects will help us contend in the future, which we want to do. We want to be a player 7/10 years. So, if some team wants to load us up with prospects for JOse, take them. It makes perfect sense. If they want to give us some used spare parts, forget it.

Anderson will get the job this year. But Pods and Dye will be out of here in a couple of years, so there will be plenty of room for young outfielders, if Owens can make the grade.

What do we want for Jose? Another outfielder? Nah, unless they're great, which wells isn't (another swing at everything player, although he has some power; not as good as C Lee). I'd do it for a lefty reliever plus a top prospect(s). I would absolutely NOT trade him to Toronto or any other AL team that could conceivable contend. No use helping our competition get pitching. But even at that, there is a strong argument not to trade him. WE have reasonable chance to repeat. You can't have too much pitching. It's obvious that we won't get the mother-load for Jose, so perhaps we should just keep him.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jan 6, 2006 -> 01:49 PM) Top 3 GM in the game. He's not the best trader, or the best when it comes to negotiating, but when the dust settles, he has had a great team on the field going into the season the past 2 years, with virtually no holes. He has gone the route of putting just enough offense on the field the past two years while overloading with pitching, and it worked extremely well last year, and I see no reason it will not work again next year. Lots of kudos to KW. That's kind of how I see him as well.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 02:17 PM) Again, this is off of MLB Trade Rumors. But, the O's propsed Count, Uribe, Sweeney and a top pitching prospect for Tejada. Oh boy, what a bargain.

QUOTE(mc20 @ Jan 2, 2006 -> 06:04 PM) With all these contrases and uribe for tejada rumors going around, why do most people posting not want to lose uribe. sure hes good and has a bright future, but Miguel Tejada is a former mvp and a stud, he could make us a dynasty For one thing, he's whining about being in Baltimore - no one made him go to baltimore, he wasn't traded - he chose to play in Baltimore. Because his price exceeds his production. Everyone gets all excited about him, but when you look at his numbers, there are many, many players who put up better. The only difference is he's a SS. Well, right now we have a 3B with mediocre production, a C with mediocre production and a CF with mediocre production, and a LF who can get on base but nothing more. By picking the SS as the offensive position to improve, we're paying the premium price. If it were Jose and Uribe, at least we'd be dealing from depth and strength. But you know it won't be - there will surely be, at a minimum, one top prospect added.

Why did we trade for Vasquez in the first place if we are going to trade him at midseason. We aren't going to get back what we paid for him.

A simple Tejada for Contreras Uribe deal is fine; giving away the farm on top of that - forget it.

QUOTE(quickman @ Dec 23, 2005 -> 08:15 PM) I really believe many of you will be extremely dissapointed with what we get for garland. Quite frankly I truly believe many of you are over rating his trade value. We will see what comes out of it. He's a lot better than Eaton - and Eaton brought in some decent talent. I have yet to see a trade proposal that nets the Sox what the Padres got for Eaton.

QUOTE(sayitaintso @ Dec 23, 2005 -> 02:45 PM) That would be good from that standpoint, we would have found our second lefty to the pen and move BMac into the 5th starters spot. But that could not be all that we get. The other teams would be getting studs and we would be getting shafted if bedard is the only player we recieve. Bedard wouldn't be a bad player to pitck up, but add a major prospect to that trade to get the Sox interested.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 20, 2005 -> 11:26 AM) Except for the Willie lovers. If Blum cost a prospect, Willie could bring one. Willie's better than Osuna.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 18, 2005 -> 11:11 PM) I think we've all told you like a million times that moving Pods to center just isn't an option, as good as Giles is offensively it just wouldnt be worth it. EDIT: Also you weren't getting ridiculed for suggesting Giles you were getting ridiculed for bringing it up over and over and over again. Crede's not a free agent for 3 more seasons. Who cares who is agent is at this point? His contract is dirt-cheap. What better 3B is available? No use giving up talent for a non-upgrade.

QUOTE(chisoxgrl @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:10 PM) I did hear of this. I am going to take a lot of flack, but I do not want Crede to go. I can say g-bye to Garland but not Joe. I am all for the Tejada trade with Garland and Uribe, but not Joe. I know Joe has Boras for an agent and that means KW won't deal. Crede's defense is stellar, and he comes through every time offensively when we need it. A normal at bat will be a pop out, but when we need to tie or we need a walk off he has done it! I am sure there are more things to consider than what I see, in fact I know, but that is something I feel strongly about. Crede needs to stay. I think anything he may lack is made up for in the moments that are critical. That has been what I have seen, especially this year. Crede in the clutch is worth it. We've got Crede locked up for 3 more years; there's no reason to trade him for a more expensive non-upgrade like Blalock. Kenny doesn't have to worry about signing him for 3 years, so what's the difference who his agent is?

I'm okay with prospects, as long as they are really good prospects - grade A prospects. My first preference would be to get a real top flight player; that looks doubtful, and we dont' need any mediocre small upgrades. I'd much prefer prospects to, say, trading him for someone like Blalock.

Taveras has no plate discipline and no power. I'll take our chances with Anderson before actually trading a player to get Taveras.

QUOTE(WinninUgly @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 07:35 PM) I wouldn't say he is overrated, it is just people expected more out of him after 2004. For under a $1 million a year he is a steal for a guy with a lifetime BA of .285, OBP of .373, and averages of 15 HR and 75 RBI a year. He is also a Lefty which is a plus. He's a decent hitter - for a left fielder; just not as a first baseman, unless he's on the bosox or yanks and surrounded by lots of other power hitters.

QUOTE(Chisoxmatt @ Nov 24, 2005 -> 12:27 PM) Sign Konerko. Thats the only thing left to do. We need a 4th outfielder and maybe a 5th. Borchard will probably be one of them.

QUOTE(whitesoxin' @ Nov 24, 2005 -> 12:00 AM) Why not Pierre? The Marlins are looking to give away all their good players and build up the farm again. Because our defense will take a beating and he is a swing at anything hitter with zero power.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 08:56 PM) I think when it comes to starters we are done. We might aquire bench depth, but the Sox starting line up is set IMO. If that's the case, the fans are defrauded. Because Anderson makes less than Rowand did last year and Thome makes less than Konerko last year (aggregate of around $4mill). And the disparity is even greater compared to what Rowand and Konerko will make in 2006. So that would mean that JR is taking his championship, taking his sold out season tickets, and slashing payroll. I certainly hope that isn't the case.

QUOTE(Soxman72 @ Nov 22, 2005 -> 02:59 PM) I agree Rowand44. By trading Rowand to the Phillies for Thome OR By trading Crede to the Marlins for Pierre You will not lose one of our big pitchers. You could see some minor league talent in the deals but not B-Mac. I also believe Marte has seen his last days in Chicago, but that is just me. I believe KW will try to make deals without involving our pitchers. Pitching won us the ring. Or we could trade Rowand for Thome and not completely destroy our defense in the process. We wouldn't be "okay" defensively with Pierre in center - far from it. We have a few years to go with Crede before we have to worry about Boras.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 09:28 PM) The ultimate trade would be Pierre and Delgado for Rowand, Anderson and someone else, but that's just dreaming. Pierre can't hit - no thanks. The Marlins have been looking for an upgrade in CF for a year. The Marlins are great at hyping their stiffs that they want to trade (if you listened to them in July, AJ Burnett was Roger Clemens) We have a lot of young outfielders in the minors; we should use the surplus to strengthen weaknesses, like offense. I don't know whether or not Anderson can hit ML pitching. But it's pretty clear that he can play good D. But I do know that we need to either use players like Anderson or trade them; don't let them rot on the vine like Schueler did. And right now, Rowand is our best trading chit and the Yankees seem enthralled with him (although that would take a 3 way deal as they have nothing we need). Only Young and McCarthy should be untouchables, imo.

I went to high school with Lyle. At that time, basketball was his game. Smart and well spoken guy.

QUOTE(joeynach @ Nov 8, 2005 -> 09:50 PM) If Paulie leaves my vote is for a trade to acquire Hillenbrand or Overbay, preferably Overbay since hes younger and has a much higher OBP and walks more. Let Andersen take over after 2006 when Dye's contract is up and possibly let him DH this year. Overbay has insufficient power for 1B. We could compensate for it somewhere else, but we won't - no one available. The Overbays, Graces and Oleruds look good on stat sheets with all of their walks, but they don't cut it unless surrouned by a few guys who can hit homers (as Olerud was in Seattle and Toronto and NY).