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The Ritchie trade, hands down. We didn't scout Ritchie well, and even if he was what KW thought he was, we STILL overpaid

I find it hard to believe that Boston would get A Rod, without having aplace all lined up to dump Nomar.

And with Nomar on the payroll at 12 million we aren't gasping for air? I have no problem trading maggs - but for Nomar? For what purpose????? Don't you find it odd, that the Sox are never discussed in the incessant A-Rod discussion - without us taking Nomar, the Bosox don't take A-Rod. It's like, our part of the deal is a given and that makes me feel uneasy Oh, and Juan G is not a hall of fame player - no way, no how

I like the Randy Winn part of the deal. But I'd prefer younger players on the other part

Sorry, got the year wrong. IN 3 (edited) of the last 4 years, he has driven in 70 runs or less. Maybe it's all injuries - but he wouldn't be the first player to see his skills decline in his early 30s. It's a gamble - and again, FOR WHAT PURPOSE? How are the Sox better for this deal? Not the RedSox, not Gammons, not Epstein, not Selig, not A Rod -----> but the White Sox. My gut tells me MLB is sticking its fingers into this and applying pressure as they want what many consider the game's best player in the big eastern market.

what ruined him in 2001? How do you know he is over his injury or that he will produce with no injury? His obps have been horrid the last 2 years the question remains - how does this deal make us a better team?

Who do you have in mind to produce in right field. Like I said - take Nomar + the new right fielder; compare it to maggs and valentin (whom I assume we will ship). I think it will take someone with 3/4 of maggs' production to BREAK EVEN on that swap - who does kenny have in mind? Juan Gonzales? That guy is crashing faster than the 1929 market. You don't take risks when the best case is to break even - that's what kenny williams is doing. As for sullivan, you don't take risks on all star players to get a middle reliever. So really, what is the point of this deal? To please gammons? Kenny says he will try to resign him - didn't he reject 15 million? How do you expect to resign him? Hope he has a lousy year and the price comes down? Is he worth $10 million much less $15 million? Not in my opinion

It would be a terrible trade if we keep nomar and I can't believe williams doesn't have a deal to trade him ALREADY LOCKED UP. Now, KW has put himself in a fix - teams KNOW he wants to trade nomar or jose, so we will get less. Further, Maggs is a much better hitter than Nomar - this reminds me of the foulke-koch deal in that sense - to save a few bucks, kenny takes an inferior player. This notion that nomar plays a position in which it is harder to find hitters is irrelevant. Simply compare the production of Maggs, to the production of the new right fielder - then compare nomar to the new shorstop. It's doubtful that we've improved.

There's not much nice about The Sox being mentioned in the same sentence as Roger Cedeno.

Hopefully we'd get a better package than the white flag package - that didn't include a single creme de la creme prospect (good prospects, but not elite prospects). Go for the one with Guitterez - we need a CF in the worst way.

At some point, we'll need to score runs. Our inability to get on base was a bigger problem than our pitching last season.

For the same reason that individual members of the teamsters can't agree to work at a lesser wage or fewer hours. The owners signed a collective bargaining agreement.

Basically because their prospective employers form a cartel of 30 or so, which is small, and could weild immense power over them if the union dissolved.

Well, one season is one season, so i do care who's better. But I agree with you - we need to move whichever one we are left with. Our position should be whichever the dodgers want - if they want Maggs, scew Boston; if they want Nomar, then we'll deal with Boston. Just the feeling I get is that we've, for some reason, agreed to participate with Boston, without having the other end of this locked up. And Williamson's price is, what $3 mill? Couldn't we have signed Gordon or the guy we got from the Reds for that price?

That nomar plays a "harder position" is not the way to analyze this. Do we have someone with good numbers to take Maggs position at the easier position???? You add Maggs production and Valentin's production (presuming we trade him) and compare it to Nomar's production plus the production of whoever plays right field. I'd be shocked if we come out ahead. Williamson is a middle reliever - the value is inherently limited no matter how good the stats guys see him. Throw a quality starter in there and it might make sense. And it doesn't solve the long term issue - he's leaving after next year. We plug one hole (and SS was actually the strongest of our holes), create a new one, and still need a CF, middle infielder, and, most of all, a lead off hitter. The only reason to do this deal is to move him.

Aren't the Sox a key player in this - if we aren't there to take Nomar, does that deal get done? It's like it's a given that we will do the bidding that baseball has pronounced we shall do. Wait until you have something worked out with the Dodgers, Kenny, or JUST SAY NO

You're probably right, but they need some O.

Yea but they aren't going to do this deal without us on the sidelines to gobble up Nomar, are they? Let's work on the deal to send nomar to the Dodgers. Or even better, screw Boston (I hate dealing with Gammons' love child) and send Maggs and Valentin to the Mariners for Garcia, Winn (decent lead off hitter), that young middle infielder and one of their stud pitching prospects. Then sign Ponson and then deal Danny Wright for Williamson.

I don't know their contractual situations, but Percival makes nearly EIGHT million and Washburn nearly $4 million. Take Washburn and a lead off hitter if they have one - screw Percival

Yea, I got the right one. He comes to the AL and asked to pitch in the clutch and sports a 6.2 era in that effort. Sounds awfully Rick Whitesque to me Or Todd Ritchie - although his era was only 6.06

Didn't we just not sign a couple of our own bullpen pitchers with similar credentials for the want of 3 or so million? It's almost like KW is reading Peter Gammons articles as his scouting reports - the Nomar articles for the last 5 years (Gammons has told us how great he is) and the Williamson article when the redsox got him last fall

I guess so - but it's not like Williamson is anything special. 6.20 ERAs aren't that hard to find for free. In the meantime, we have a worse hitter than maggs for a year AND we blow an opportunity to get something for him by trading him for pitching and young players.

I agree with you Why do we have to give prospects back? KW, even in his good trades, always seems to overpay on paper. And I don't like the maggs for nomar part of the deal either, but that's another story.