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Beachy getting shelled tonight. It's not too late, Braves!

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 06:16 PM) I like Rick Hanh. Keep pissin em off Rick. Amen!

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 05:58 PM) UPDATE, 6:27: Rays executive VP Andrew Friedman said it is "too early to speculate on exactly when" Crain will be ready to resume pitching but he had extreme confidence the Rays medical staff can make it happen. Friedman said when healthy, Crain "is among the best relief pitchers in the game,'' noting his ability to get out right- and left-handers. Crain is expected to join the Rays on Wednesday. The compensation likely won't be worked out until after the season, though Friedman said the framework is in place. UPDATE, 5:34: The Rays have made the deal offiicial, and announced it for "players to be named later or cash considerations.'' The Rays added Crain to the 40-man roster but kept him on the 15-day DL. To make room on the 40-man roster, they shifted Brandon Gomes to the 60-day DL, though he is close to being reinstated. UPDATE, 5:22: The Rays are giving up future considerations, likely tied to how much Crain pitches. tampabay.com/sports Good info. Thanks That makes sense...contingent upon his outings, not the results.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 05:58 PM) Your desperate to get rid of who? What team do you own? Desperate for the Sox to rid themselves of Rios. I can't take the lollygagging. Yes, obviously, prospects are much preferred.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 05:54 PM) Why would the Sox take a guy who is a FA at the end of the season? I'm desperate to get rid of him. And I thought Pence had another year.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 05:44 PM) Moving De Aza really doesn't clear a lot of salary. He's worth more than a B prospect. Is he? He's a bad CF. We have no position for him, unless we give up on Viciedo. I hope we can move one of those guys at least.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 05:40 PM) Rios and Pence have very similar stats. Pence is definitely a better addition to a clubhouse and has a nice reputation. Rios has another year on his contract. I am sure the two will make sense for different teams. How about we trade Rios for Pence?

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 05:38 PM) For sure but it is the defense too. It has been awful for him, capped by the four error game a couple starts ago. That will jump anyone's pitch count For sure. I think it's safe to say all of our pitchers have been hurt by our defense, and it's well beyond unearned runs and errors. 48 hours from now, I'd take a B prospect for Rios, Alexei and De Aza. We can clear a lot of salary and get replacement level players who at least won't clown around like these 3. Could also get a defensive catcher too.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 05:15 PM) Hector Santiago in his first 18 career starts: 5-4, 2.94 ERA, 10.2 SO/9, 1.22 WHIP I'd have to imagine you are talking about a top 25 prospect combined with another top 50 type and then more around that package to even think about trading him. He should improve more than anyone with better defense, even if he strikes a lot of guys out. That is because his biggest problem right now is pitch count. It will also help when we actually groom him as a starter. The high pitch count is a result of being a strike-out pitcher and he walks too many batters. But experience might fix that and then we have a stud. He's got a high ceiling I think. He doesn't through insanely hard, but a lot of K pitchers don't.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 05:27 PM) I don't know if that's comparable. Latos had two good full seasons under his belt when he was traded and even if they were in SD that's more of a track record than Hector. While I don't necessarily agree with it, one major sportswriter (cannot remember who) had compared a potential Sale return looking like the Latos return. I think Sale would demand a much better return than Latos and Hector would demand a lesser return. Quintana is your comp. But if we dangle Santiago, all the sabre-metric teams will be over him, trying to get him at a discount (and that the Sox undervalue him worries me). That's why Oakland was on Peavy I think...they dig deeper than ERA.

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 05:18 PM) On Crain: #WhiteSox and #Rays will negotiate cash/player combo going to CWS over next several weeks. -- ROSENTHAL Haven't we lost our leverage by doing it that way? Doesn't sound like it was that complicated of a trade.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 02:37 PM) That's what I don't get posters thinking teams would like to have him. Right now, offensively he is 13th in baseball as a RF. Average. Since June 1 he has a .665 OPS. That is what Paul Konerko has put up this year. Plus with perceived motivational issues, why would anyone pick up that contract, let alone give you anything of significance for that opportunity? I would be okay if we just gave him away if we can't get anything by 11:59 on Wednesday. His lollygagging has to go.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 05:08 PM) Good news is we should have answers soon. If Peavy is on the mound tomorrow then Rick wasnt fooling around. It also means we'll trade him for less than we would than does he not take the mound, which is what I'm concerned about. They need to build around Sale, Quintana and Santiago, not Jake Peavy.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 05:06 PM) I'm not sure what any of this has to do with my post. My point is simple. As of right now, Quintana is, and has been, a better pitcher. Nobody has suggested "selling low" on either. And all I was saying is that we shouldn't give Santiago away for a low OBP corner infielder with no power. We've got that already.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 04:36 PM) The Sox could have a rotation with Sale/Peavy/Hector/Danks and have a winning team combining that with massively good FA/scrap heap finds. It's not outside the realm of reality. It's possible but they have that rotation right now, and they have a horrendously bad team. But scraps would probably improve this team defensively. To do that they really need to get rid of Rios, Alexei and De Aza or some combination thereof. Re money, we sent money to Tampa with Crain, so it doesn't exactly sound like that's the sticking point. We just don't want Oakland's scraps.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 04:56 PM) Quintana's getting better as well and has a better track record. You might be able to project Santiago to have a higher ceiling because he throws about 1 mph harder, but Quintana is the better pitcher. Santiago has more out-pitches. He's been a starter less than 1/2 a season. He needs to get his control fixed. Selling him low would be asinine. If anyone needs to be sold low it's Peavy. Save payroll, get younger. And for sure we don't need more low obp hitters.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 04:43 PM) Santiago misses more bats. Quintana has had much better results. As of today, Quintana > Santiago. Better but not that much better. Santiago's also getting better. We would be more likely to get full value for Quintana than Santiago. Both are good young pitchers...Peavy's the one we need to trade. We don't need more past their prime veterans or Ozzie-style low obp hitters.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 04:01 PM) I can honestly see a deal like Santiago for Lawrie + low level prospect. Or Santiago for Ackley + prospects. Not these deals exactly but something along the lines of these. For some reason I just feel like the Sox are aware they can make SP and equally aware they cannot make hitters. What? Santiago is just coming into his own and is pitching at a high level. People on here want top prospects for Quintana? Santiago's better. So we want to dump him for a 3B with zero power and a mediocre OBP? Then we should take the Middlebrooks deal with Boston. It does scare me that Ventura seems to think he's a middle reliever, so we may give him away like this. Santiago's getting better....that's not who we need to trade

Bundy's the only chance of an elite prospect for Peavy. He'd be a steal.

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 02:17 PM) Peavy to Boston for Middlebrooks, Brentz, Ranaudo Ramirez, Lidstrom, + to St.Louis for Adams Rios to Pittsburgh for Kingham, Barret Barnes Crain to TB for ??? It'd be thrilled with this. I could do without Middlebrooks, but Ranaudo is a good prospect. The St Louis trade would be nice. Adams will help us, and St Louis doesn't need him

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 02:20 PM) There would be a lot less flexibility if Dunn, Rios, and Alexei aren't traded. In fact, I'm going to imagine the club would have minimal flexibility (given I'd expect lower attendance, etc). It's hard to believe they'd take lesser prospects for Peavy so they don't pay salary; yet they aren't trying to dump Rios and Alexei and their high salaries.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 01:32 PM) Jake Peavy: Traded (St Louis) Alex Rios: Traded (Pittsburgh) Alexei Ramirez: Traded (St. Louis) Jesse Crain: Traded (Tampa) Matt Lindstrom: Traded (Boston) Adam Dunn: Traded (Baltimore) i hope you're Nostradamus

@MDGonzales confirms deal sending Jesse Crain to Rays is close; final bids being taken on trade for Jake Peavy: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,4850804.story … Gonzales says again that we don't want to take any salary. I guess we can't afford it as they seem to want to carry Rios and Alexei for some bizarre reason.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 01:51 PM) You seem to severly undervalue Quintana. According to Baseball Reference, he has a 3.4 WAR thus far this year which is good enough for 10th highest out of all AL pitchers. Add 4 more years of team control and he becomes a very valuable commodity. I don't think I ever said he isn't valuable. He is. But I don't think he's a top 10 pitcher, I think he's hit his peak, we'd be selling high if we trade him as we other teams will also see his value, and I would prefer not to have these same clowns in the field supporting our pitchers next year. Just my opinion.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 12:46 PM) Robert Murray ‏@RobertMurrayMLB 16m The #WhiteSox are asking for two top prospects and a 'lesser' player for Alex Rios, per @jaysonst. Don't be surprised to not see him traded. I have a hard time believing we're asking for this. And if we are, I hope Hahn comes down a ton off of his demands. That price is unreasonable, no one will pay it, and we need to get Rios and Ramirez and a couple of others off this team. WE can't go into next year with these same stiffs. And I'd prefer to trade him v. Santiago because I think we'd get less for Santiago, but I believe Santiago has more room to improve and has a higher ceiling.