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Maybe not. But he wants to try; and given the way the Sox have treated him, I think that they owe him the chance. And it's not like the reliever thing has worked out, so no real harm to the Sox either.

The Remillard thing is bizarre considering they have frequently spent $2-$3 mill on utility players (and of course the Leury contract). I think it's like relievers - they don't break the bank and they prefer "proven veterans." It fails, but they don't recognize their failures as a failure in process.

Rushing him into the majors; rushing him back twice from injury. Never giving him a chance to start. Overall stunting his career due to FO laziness and general effery.

No problem - didn't take it that way at all.

Hahn likes the way you think!

Giolito and perhaps Reynaldo are the only players of any consequence that they traded away. Otherwise, it's addition by subtraction.

The old Guardian drawer hasn't been too kind to their old mates .

I hope the Sox give him that opportunity. They owe it to him. Heck, they owe it to themselves.

Yes - my mistake. Situational righty reliever. And he got a starting catcher, such as he was, out of the deal.

I put that on Hahn. He's had a decade to build the infrastructure. They share a facility with the godfather of infrastructure. If he can convince JR to spend tens of millions on Younder Alonso and relief pitching, he should have been able to reap some infrastructure investment.

It's Williams that the BP guys beat on mercilessly. And Moneyball whacked him for the grave offense of trading away a situational lefty reliever.

Per Law: "...but he [Lee] still has that everyday ceiling if he gets back to the hitter he was through 2021, swinging at strikes and putting the ball in play rather than trying to dead-pull so many pitches." https://theathletic.com/4729990/2023/07/28/white-sox-dodgers-astros-scouting-report/

He’s got some pedigree though. He was a number one pick for Arizona who I believe it was La Russa traded to the Braves as part of a salary- dump of some other player; kind of like a (bad) hockey GM does.

The Dodgers ditched a couple of decent players from their 40 man to make room for Kelly and Lynn. I don't know what the Sox 40 man looks like, but if Shaw's on it, there's probably room for these guys.

The speed and urgency of these deals just doesn't have that Hahn feel.

Colas looked like he knew what he was doing when he went the other way on that RBI single. I like how they're just playing him regularly; he'll learn something every day and hopefully start to figure it all out.

Yea he was real mediocre for us. Sox are none the worse for being without Kelly, Graveman and Lynn. Really, the only loss is Giolito. I'm glad to be done with all 3 of them.

Hopefully Hahn and Haber have learned that their lesson investing big in middle relief, esp. multi-year contracts, is loony-tunes. The only reason to sign those guys is to trade them in July. They'll have to pay for a couple of starters next season.

He had one outing for them, he sucked, and they waived him. 5 days later, he's pitching for the Sox.

But isn't that what you want in your backup catcher? One less spot to fill.

Banks has pitched well for us the last 2 seasons. 3.7 ERA; 1.15 WHIP. I guess he doesn't have the greatest stuff, but he doesn't walk half the other team, either. His numbers are better than these dudes we dealt away.

He shall revivify our rotation!

Touki won 11 games with a 1.3 WHIP for Atlanta's world championship team. I think his issue has been staying healthy.

True. But, heretofore, we haven't traded anyone that we really didn't have to trade.

Just not an all-in year for the Dodgers. They'd probably have Giolito if they'd been willing to give up one of their catcher prospects. They can regenerate their #10 prospect pretty easily. But pitchers whose delivery is "super clean" with great stuff, is not something that the Sox can generate very often.