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Man there is no life at all. Never seen anything like this.

In Hahn- speak, that is "A seat at the table."

This is a vivid depiction of what has happened. I never thought Hahn was much of a GM, but a) in June 2016 when he trades for Shields and then drafts Burdi to rush to the pen; and then b) a month later announces that it's time to rebuild, that was it. How could any normal organization not kick this guy after that dog and pony show?

I don't think you can build around any of these guys. I would keep these 6 more for strategic purposes: Vaughn: I would trade him, but I don't think that he has a ton of value; better coaching and some state-of-the-art analytics could improve his trade value or keep him as a cornerstone. Same with Kopech Crochet - there's something there, so I'd keep him and hope he can get healthy Colas - Rookie Moncada and Benintendi: it would cost a lot more to trade these 2 than to keep them.

It's been 9 hours. That, I can't abide.

Sure and with Hahn in charge, with point-man Haber, it will be a give-away train. It's not like we could expect these 2 to actually start prepping for that possibility and position the scouts. Emphasis will be on salary dumping to curry JR favor.

Nice outing by Cannon.

Thanks for the chuckle. It was so bad that I thought it was a sketch comedy show...until Lawrence Welk waltzed out.

I just looked up the stat on mlb.com. Which pitchers are #s 2, 3 and 4 in Pitches/inning? Cease, Lynn, Giolito Sox take it to a new level.

Starters' inefficiency, using c. 90 pitches to get through 5, isn't helping matters; it just necessitates more reliance on a questionable pen.

In retrospect, it probably would have been best to get stuck; now they're tied to an average outfielder for 5 seasons.

Good point. Jimmy Lambert - the pride of the 2016 draft and of the 2023 bullpen!

The Sox frontline team looks good on paper and should win if everything goes right. But roster construction (top heavy, singles hitters, poor defense, pitching dependent on the strikeout) and lack of depth makes them susceptible to variance.

Good luck in the surgery and in recovery, Matt (the pride of the Sox 2016 draft).

So did we.

No. It will mostly be a salary dump. And Hahn generally naps in July and it devolves into a give-away train (except for Quintana, whom he had peddled for 6 months).

Check my math on this, but if don't win any series', they will not even finish at .500.

To say otherwise, would be to disrespect Rick Hahn. That he won't even approach that is why he was hired.

As Rick has explained, no one feels worse about this than him. And if he didn't think that he could rectify it, he wouldn't be here.

He could dissuade Hahnber from rushing someone up and/or the use of another high draft pick for the bullpen.

Game 1 v Philly, 5 walks issued; none taken. It's in the blood throughout the organization.

On what he's looking for in a manager (10/3/22): “Ultimately we want someone who played a key part in a winning organization." This is not to suggest this debacle is this manager's fault (which it isn't).

"If it ever got to the point where I felt that I wasn’t the right person in my role, I’d step aside.” Hahn 10/3/22

That much of the core of the team, including Eloy, have gotten worse is a big reason they're in this mess. They could trade anyone on this roster as far as I'm concerned.

It's been going on for so many years and so persistently that's likely a result of organizational philosophy (as is the lack of walking on the offensive side, with 2021 a rare exception). Philosophy as in talent evaluation and selection, development, analytics (obsolete), etc.