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Yea, he's on the (long, long) list.

This is the heart of the matter in one eloquent post. Bravo!

Rick Hahn fills holes with Cesar Hernandez and Josh Harrison. The Guardians dump their Cesar Hernandez on GMs like Rick Hahn and fills holes with rookies who make the all star team. it's just not a fair fight.

A good FO could do some things to reinvigorate the team in the offseason.

The guy they held onto until yesterday (when they needed room for Andrus) was even worse. These are high K guys -that voros stuff.

We needed a SP and he told Rodon to hit the road, and then picked Vince Velasquez. It was only when Lynn was hurt did he get Cueto. He picked up Kimbrel's contract and announced to the world he wanted to trade him (good way to get trade leverage) . He then signs Joe Kelly for a mutli-year contract at about twice what he's worth. He then jettisoned Kimbrel for yet another aging player who the Sox are going to be on the hook for next year for over $10 million. He signed Leury to a 3 year deal at 2x his market value. He spent over $30 million making the team worse. Meanwhile his farm system checked in at #30.

What? Hahn fixed no holes and spent over $30 Million fixing no holes. What he did was quintessential Hahn: lazy and incompetent.

Didn't Keppinger just quit? Lawrie, another impressive middle infielder from the annals of Hahn, quit. With his eye for veteran talent, no wonder Hahn was able to trade away Tatis and Semien. Speaking of salary, they aren't brining Pollock back, ffs, are they?

Yea, well that's why they signed him. This FO likes Leury and players like Leury. Rick Hahn's looking for the next Keppinger.

Why would JR protect RH? I understand his love for KW, but Hahn?

He is, but he's the man who, at best, tolerated the RH dog-and-pony show for the last decade, when he had the power to end it. Ditka got the Bears a Super Bowl, but they didn't keep him around for 17 more seasons. I suspect that KW will do some cleaning this offseason - but I doubt it goes deep enough. But put someone new in KW's position, and the house will get cleaned.

They really need to fire KW (or retire him). Make that move, and the rest of the jokers will be out in due time.

They are still using some c.2005 protocols. Maybe they could attend some seminars or something. Zoom in - it will save travel costs.

JR needs to buy the Guardians' front office.

I just think this team needs a "hail mary." (and I wouldn't necessarily limit the "hail mary" to those 2). hopefully the Cleveland series will reveal that I'm premature on that.

I don't disagree with anything in your post. To me, adding Andrus is like bunting: it probably has a higher chance to score one run - to be just enough to eek into the playoffs. I just think young players (and I would go beyond just SS; don't see much value from Pollock either) increase the odds of us actually being good; and better prepare and position the team for the next year or three. And part of the reason for my position on this is that I'm not convinced that the team, as is, is simply good enough even if Andrus plays decently. At least not with this power outage.

Yes, in a static world this would be an upgrade. The world were old decliners stop declining and young players don't improve. That's how the FO has seen things for years. Hopefully it works out for 2 months.

But expected. This type of move is the M.O. of this front office. Maybe it will work out for once.

The VV experience should end this evening as well. Foster was pitching acceptably as a back end guy. The Voros era analytics need to go.

Had to spill their guts to get the first 2. Did the same in game 3, but couldn't get the W. Hopefully we have something left for Cleveland, but the Sox aren't a young team.

He hit the skids when Preller left. If Preller gets canned, some FO should pay him $5 million a year to run their scouting and development department.

I didn't realize that vesting option just goes "poof" upon release. The rest of the contract doesn't - it's just that Oakland is liable for it.

There is a little matter of 173 more PA = $15 Mill vesting option; I assume the claiming team would be liable for that albatross which would be awful for the Sox for next year. And I guess that's what negotiations are about.

The aging decliners also seem to take an immediate leap down the decline ladder as soon as they join the Sox. Andrus is not very good, Sosa's not ready, but this one kind of makes sense. I get the shakes just thinking about it though.

The bottom of the 8th is just a great psychological inning inning for the home team. Take the lead there and the visitors are kind of stunned - "we only have one chance left." A great effort tonight by the back 1/2 of the pen. Lambert taking the 8th! He certainly earned it.