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They seemed to draft for need in the Hahn era until recently when they completely shifted. Needed a C, needed a 3B, relievers (X 3, although Crochet had some starter projection and hopefully still does). Need just isn't the way to do it. The current approach really depends on being bullseye accurate with the scouting, as they are punting a lot of the draft for a couple of players they want. We'll see.

Well as soon as Robert and the bounty from a couple of trades hit the majors, we settled back to where we've been for much of the last 15 years. Mediocre drafting, generation behind on analytics, and not taking the international game seriously (even though they are good at it) takes its toll. Lately, the drafting has been strange: we'll see soon if the results stay mediocre, or perhaps improve.

This is why Spring Training games must not be delayed: ST games for sure will push that score off of there.

A decade ago, contact was laughed at; now it's a thing. Similarly, pitcher Ks are the thing...or were....I think that is shifting to more command based metric that can measure weak contact.

This morning, he put up a dozen or so "just missed" and the Sox didn't have any of those either.

Nada for the Sox; not a surprise, I suppose. Sox choice. Astros also score a zip. All other AL Central teams have 2 in the top 50 (Tigers 2 in top 5) D Backs top the list with 7, 3 top 50. They've churned out prospects for years; just can't build a team. Dodgers and Pirates with 6; Orioles, Rays, Mets and Giants with 5.

1. Means: No. 2. Vaughn to rent a .200 hitter for 1 season: No (and I know I didn't put Gallo in best light, but the Sox have been down that road before). 3. Probably a positive expectation trade (although I wouldn't do it).

As busts go, he was pretty good. Don't mind his announcing either.

Good gawd. And none of these inconsistent 2B we should load the wagon for has any sort of consistent power (a specific weakness of the Sox in 21) either.

Pass on both of the Mets' dumpees. And I still don't see how McNeil warrants a high prospect cost anyway; even if he wasn't off of a dismal season and even if the Mets weren't overtly trying to move him.

The trouble with trading Burger is that the Sox won't get much for him. He doesn't have prospect pedigree, nor a meaningful minor league career. His AAA numbers last year were unremarkable. Sheets showed some ability last year, but it is the old small sample size, and he lacks prospect pedigree. That said, he is a lefty bat and absolutely mauled RH pitching. And the other thing is that his 2021 didn't come out of the blue... reports out of the ATF in 2020 said he had turned a corner. I'd say he's at least 50/50 to have a better year than Conforto (he has has better odds of being totally awful). Absolutely no one should have more information than the Sox on whether these guys could be the "real deal." Don't see a compelling reason to trade either of these guys. The one with the most trade value is Vaughn. But, he probably also has the most potential and most likely to be a major league regular. I think he's going to really hit. Abreu's going to be gone in a year, and we'll need the depth. The bigger issue to me is pitching.

Yep, especially as pitching isn't exactly firmed up right now. And pitching flamed out in the playoffs last year. This is good news.

Keep your paws off of Jeff Ireland!

A 30 year old late bloomer whose last 2 seasons were 1.5 and .5 WAR. Yea, but let's send Crochet, one of our best young pitchers, as a starter package. That's the way the way winning organizations do it. Peddle for Peddle. Kimbrel at most, and I wouldn't even do that.

Not paying the correct price = trading away Bassit, Semien et al for 1 year of Jeff Samardzija. Just had to get this tor starter, price be damned. There is no way this FO went into this off-season saying "Jeff McNeil and his .679 OPS is our guy" unless it was the idea that they could get him cheap and use resources elsewhere. There may be a lot of unused $ in JR's checkbook, but Rick Hahn's supply prospects/young players is limited.

McNeil for Vaughn? Good lord.

That's the logic that created the need to rebuild. Paying the correct price matters a lot.

Mets are trying to dump him; terrible season last year; attitude. Should be an extreme buy-low.

The opposite is closer to the truth. But really I think a lot of fans lack patience for young players if they are in a Sox uniform. Vaughn is the same player that he was when he was drafted. If he's that limited, the Sox never should have drafted him in that position. Trading him now would be "selling low" anyway.

This is probably the wrong thread, but here's an analysis of Hawk's term as GM. Not that bad. And it included Ivan Calderon, an important transitional player for the 90s teams. http://blackbetsy.blogspot.com/2004_12_01_archive.html

Hawk drafted Bonilla in Rule 5 after the 1985 season. Hawk giveth and Hawk sendeth away.

He was a miracle worker after the 1970 season. May he rest in peace.

His stats do look like the lefty version of Fulmer - I wonder if he spins it like Fulmer. Just cut the walks by 2/3 and we have a major league pitcher! Worth a shot.

That's due to Sale and the 2 Eaton trades (credit to Hahn on those 2) and Williams' evaluation of Cuban players. That is why I have no interest in this "3 year window' stuff and what gives me hope that the Sox can keep this going: We would have been good for 5-10 years and counting, but for some stupid trades, none of which had much upside at all. And we're certainly not dependent on top 10 draft picks (we blew most of those and we still rebuilt fine). The only way this ceases anytime soon is if the Sox make more bad trades (or severe overpayments) for veterans.

Use him in a trade then; we got players like him for relievers and as the additional player in bigger trades.