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That's the problem - this FO is consistently on the "old veteran" side of these trades, especially when it comes to relievers. And they insist on paying a premium price. Buy high and sell low is the mantra, and the price adds up and shows its wear and tear.

If Rodon really is back in form, he's the guy I want pitching in Houston.

Still a lot of lifers and FOHs around. The scouting director is Sox lifer (20 years), Getz' had little experience when named farm director (but he's a friend of Hahn). The prior scouting director, is now a Hahn assistant, in charge of pro scouting (that didn't go well in July). They're about the last to move team to adopt analytics world; and now that they have them, are they using state-of-the-art analytics or are they still behind? The loyalty to Williams (who should move along) I understand - the prospect accumulation in the late 1990s when he was in charge of the draft, 2005, Cuban connection, 9 winning or .500 seasons out of 12 as GM. But Hahn?

I think this is judged more on whether the Sox win the division next year, and the next, versus whether they win tomorrow. TLR is here because JR doesn't trust his FO (and for good reason). Unfortunately, the team now gets 2 anchors: Hahn AND TLR.

Who could have known?

The analysis doesn't include the trades that yielded nothing, such as the trades of Swarzak, Soria, Robertson/Kahnle/Frazier. Nor does it include the trades that caused the need for rebuild (Shields, Samardzija, Frazier). And even in the rebuild trades included above, the net WAR is negative and the only big winner is the Eaton trade. The big winners are both Eaton trades, the "Cuban connection" and drafting Sale and Anderson (the draft picks during the rebuild haven't contributed that much).

Moncada also has the same WAR that Machado has this season (Moncada had a higher WAR in 2019, and a lower WAR in 2020). And the poster is right - Machado DOES bring some dog-and-pony show with him; heck the Sox bought into that when they were trading for his buddies as enticements for him to sign. Let Preller stew in his own <.500 mess. Sox need a 2B and RF - but the big need is starting pitching; they are down 2 going into next season and even if both Crochet and Kopech seamlessly slide over, they will need some depth.

He can't even eat innings anymore. That was basically his job all year as a 5th starter, and his ERA exceeded 5.0. I was hoping they'd do a bullpen trial with him, they did and the results are what they are, and that's that.

No. Absolutely not. But do sign Semien.

Well he's consistent with his other analysis that I've seen. As I recall, he judges the winner of trades as the team that received the most players.

Yes, Cease too.

Great news tonight that Rodon's back. Gio, Rodon and Lynn matches up with anyone (and overmatches several).

While Hansen Kd 11 in 5 innings in September, he also walked 4 in 5 innings. As a 27 year old in AA. Sox have several minor league pitchers who look intriguing with high Ks, but then you look at the walks and there's no way unless that improves.

I'd like to see Keuchel do some bullpen work this weekend; he's not going to be in the playoff rotation, but he's tough and has postseason experience. Considering how dismal the back half of this pen looks, Keuchel is worth a look back there.

The 1-run losses where the Sox don't hit to bad teams that the Sox have experienced over the last couple of weeks are annoying. The coup de grace was the work of Hahn's midseason acquisitions.

I think the Sox should be competitive each year, if properly managed. And that might require trading players before their decline. And if there is a window, I hope it's long after 8 years in the wilderness.

I think moving a contributor is a reasonable idea; can't stay static. Moncada, however, would be difficult to move to due his hefty salary. And it's a stretch to count on Burger. As for Romy, he seems to have a similar CV to a few others who popped this year. He had a pretty blah Kanny in 2019, then the 2020 hidden year, and then 2021 comes around and he dominates AA and AAA. So far, so good.

Go expansion! Plenty of good players. Just need more playoff teams to stop the tanking.

Sox didn't try to sign him in the offseason, and passed on him here. Could be as straightforward as the Sox not liking his game. New pitching sheriff in town.

Thanks everyone at Futuresox for your work on this and everything else.

Well, at their age, if they aren't on the Major league roster, they are clogging the 40 man. And they need a 2b, probably a starter, and figure out RF.

I think they'll have to move him onto the (crowded) 40 man after his season. Good to have some infielders ready to go.

That's true, but a lot of those players were from Sale/Q/Eaton dispersal moves. Those are over. I've followed the Sox for a long time and they've always struggled with the farm, except for the period from around the late 1980s to early 2000s. And not surprisingly, they were consistently good from 1990-2008 ( a few off years, but not many); and that's the only period of sustained "goodness" since the mid 60s. Maybe this is another such period -it's fair to say that the farm has produced more productive players than the rankings suggest it should. And despite all the guffaws I got in another thread, yes their 2nd round picks have sucked: leaving last few years TBD, it's Bob Wickman and Terry Forster, 2 relievers, since 1965.

They are going to have to make some decisions and moves with these guys (or others) and clear out some of the upper minors. Burger and Sheets have some value, but both are Rule 5 I think, which tempers things. And Sheets will need to play a good OF. From what I read, Burger really whacked the ball when he was up (impressing the stats guys impressing the stats guys with his exit velocities and such). Or they can keep these guys and move some of the incumbents. They'll need a 2B, OF and pitching next season.

I get why the low minor teams are terrible (#30 farm system plus a lot of really young guys among the new prospects); but Charlotte's roster doesn't look like a 26 below .500 roster.