GreenSox

Well I misread the title of this thread. Anyway, Ed Short was really bad his last 3 seasons. And the farm was bad. Sub-Hahn at least at the end. Hawk wasn't as bad as his rep. While he traded Bonilla for fiddlesticks, he also picked him up in Rule 5. Himes was probably the best GM the Sox have had in the last 50 years. Schueler inherited well from him - should have done better.

Yes, he would be someone like Brantley was when the Astros signed him.

Can't they just be normal and sign someone like Brantley in the offseason? Just a solid, above-average player.

Just off the top of my head, Avilla's worse. Maybe Jon Daniels these days too and whoever's running the Angels, Rockies and Diamondbacks (no idea why the D Backs are so bad). That's about the best I can say.

Actually it's A.J.

Balta lays out the problems. Extending so many promising young major-leaguers really takes away a lot of flexibility. Sign Moncada long-term, but what if you have a couple of good 3B prospects coming up? You'd like the flexibility to move him or let him go. So many things led us to this, including just poor work on the farm during the rebuild (including selling international money for AAAA players). And then you have this offseason with a bloated contract for L Garcia, and this Joe Kelly signing at what was probably 2x market. Still, some savvy GM work could rehab this. Astros had a core of 4: Bregman, Altuve, Correa and Springer. 2 have left the nest, and the Astros haven't missed a beat. At this point, try to win the division and hope to hell that Sheets and Eloy and Giolito and Lynn have a great last 2 months.

And the trades that were rumored and that the fans wanted were insane, such as anything and everything for Joe Randa, and Contreras et al for headcase Sonny Burnett. The problem here was Hahn’s massive eff-up in the free agent market in December 2021.

I'm sure it's minimal, but can't Hahn just cut a deal 1 for 1, especially when the Sox are getting the worst of it (stuck for 2 seasons) with our 1? Always lagniappe.

This clown stuff just keeps happening over and over.

So we're having to give the extra. Geeze.

The only trouble with this move is that the Sox are stuck with this guy for next year. Hahn just loves his aging relievers. Pen is where you can save some budget and turn failed starter prospects into relievers at minimum salary. Is the title correct that the CHW are throwing in extra $ for this?

Using fangraphs' ratings, and aside from the reliever side of this deal, it would be like trading Sosa for Quintana. The Cards farm was evaluated in July and the Sox in April.

This effing team. What you see is what you get.

yes - he had a career first half, and now it's likely to revert to the mean. I look at his career. He's average. He's hyped, always has been, but he's a 1-2 WAR player.

When I think impactful, I think of your guy in Pitt (and I know prob not enough). I fear buying high on Happ, who had 2 walks and 1 homer in July and whose numbers have started to recede to his usual average self.

4 of these guys are in our top 10 or so and one just hit Law's top 100. Better be for a lot more than a middle reliever. The 40 man still has filler, as well as Sheets and Burger who should be higher priorities (and with fit for the players the Sox are likely targeting).

Good for the Brewers. This is how you keep windows open. They're looking at their 5th straight playoff appearances.

https://meadowparty.com/blog/ Just search for Montgomery. It's on the first page. He made 2 comments; the dismissive one and then a positive evaluation. Beyond this love, our farm is really getting better. Shirley knows what he’s doing and Paddy always has. I think the Charlotte dog-and-pony-show obscures it.

Good for Sheets. Can't be easy playing out of position. I'm all for letting the young guy hit, especially with this state of the team.

BoSox got a real bargain on Sale, judging by this return.

Haber's the second one out the door; then throw out the rest of Hahn's buddies. KW retiring would help. Real retooling = trading Abreu. Beyond that, can't they find a team with their own Burger/Sheets that play OF they can swap them for?

All FoH must go. Keep Paddy and I'm sure others in various spots.

One thing they need to do to make it a little easier is to trade Abreu. Yea, let him know ahead of time, but move him. I don't give a rip about his "leadership" - not sure how great it's been anyway, and the young players may breath easier with papa gone. Call the Brewers, Rays, etc. A week ago, it could also have been the top 3 relievers, but they have turned to dust all of a sudden.

I guess we can wait for new front office to fire Haber, Getz, Hostetler and Shirley (nothing against Shirley, but he'll be a casualty).

All trade inquiries should be halted. It's all lipstick on an old sow. Tonight was a disgrace. The worst thing they could do is trade for a 2-year player that will cost real prospects. The next worse thing is to waste 2nd tier prospects to rent more old guys.