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He should cost about 3 times what Hahn paid for Samardzija. If they make a trade like this, then I'll know for sure that Hahn's not serious about winning;

If they want to sell low.

They certainly could in a Hosmer sort of way. Until the last couple of months, I didn't think that the Sox really wanted to sign Abreu long-term at all. Some of the statements (mostly media rumors) have made me second guess that. But I think the Sox absolutely have a limit on their Abreu investment. Hahn basically said today that he either takes the QO or he doesn't not terribly bothered either way, and not a real sense of urgency to get a longer term deal done.

It's an obvious move (of immaterial financial consequence) if you are too cheap and too lazy to sign international talent.

3 and 3. And if you use 5 and 4, Rick Hahn is on year 8.

Amen. When this org., especially under this GM, trades for vets, it wastes resources.

The call to accelerate was premature. But Hahn executed the acceleration - and he did it poorly. His drafts have been poor. And what about the June desperation in 2016 - trading for a broken down pitcher, ignoring the advice about Tatis, using a draft pick on a relief pitcher? Yes, he was probably not allowed to offer Machado market value. But whose idea was "friends and family"? That was a clown act. Further, as mentioned by others, part of his job is to make the business case to not accelerate or, in the case of Machado, to offer market value.

He's been a dreadful GM at building up a team. He failed the first time, and, if we consider last year as the first year of the build up, he's off to another poor start. The problem is that a)he doesn't know talent; b) instead of assembling an ambitious staff of quality baseball minds and one that would balance out his weaknesses, he surrounds himself with yes-men; and c)takes the lazy way out when available.

Based on past performance of this FO, those are probably the guys they have their sights set on.

Trading for these RedSox players on 1 year contracts would be lazy and overall ridiculous. Just another clown act instead of real baseball work. OR they could do what winning organizations do, and try to get what they actually need (pitching) on the open market or via trades for YOUNG talent with multiple years.

I would say that 2/QO would be closer to a market deal.

Congrats to Yolmer. Man if he could only hit a little....750 OPS isn't asking for that much.

He was demoted to AAA for 2/3+ of the season; he had a .750 OPS until the last 5 games of the season. Nope - no top dollar for 5 games. He also has extreme splits; teams can work with that, but I'm not sure that this team is that deft. I suggested Fry for Happ this time last year; maybe Bummer for Happ this time, but I'm not sure I'd do it.

I've never been a Moustakas guy because of his low OBP for this organization that has long been OBP deficient. Still he does have a good bit of versatility

Sign players as 1 year placeholders if need be. Trading for them is 2014-16 all over again: sheer madness.

I like the Wheeler idea. It gives us the opportunity to be first to the market and wrap him up, while others are after Cole and Strasburg. And yes they are better but if we couldn't beat the Padres and Phillies, doubtful that we outbid the Cole/Strasburg suitors.

The Astros' other key was the ability to constantly regenerate talent out of the farm system. Sox haven't come close to showing they have those skills.

Low OBP ballplayer, who plays into their weaknesses - not surprised the Sox are interested, but 7/$160 is ridiculous.

Also thumbs up to signing Wheeler (should be a priority - he's realistic) and Grandal (in which case I would see what teams would offer for McCann). Smith is really good too; but I think I'd leave Colome as closer and use Smith and his stuff to get out of jams.

Sure he'll spend. He spent $40 million last year....on Colome (Yea), Herrera, Nova, Jay, and Alonso. On other topics: JBJ. Full Season WAR: 1.4; Adam Engel 1/2 season WAR: .8 37 year old Cano and his .736 OPS, with a 4 year commitment? (not to mention what the Sox will have to send to reduce that $96 million payroll liability). What? The Sox have scant little pitching. Stiever needs to be treated like the top prospect he is; not some trade fodder for average players.

Bad trades have been a major issue...so bad that after the trades we found out that the talent identification wasn't so bad (development may be another story, but that takes time anyway). I didn't think the Cole trade was that bad. Was Cole going to take himself up 2 levels with the Pirates like he did with the Astros? He only had 2 years left on his deal. Joe Musgrove is a solid pitcher (Pirates will probably peddle him this offseason; a situation in which Hahn might take a bite). Trading for Archer was atrocious - on the level of Hahn trading for Samardzija and Shields. All were indefensible even if the players given up hadn't turned out to be stars.

I readily accept that the Sox won't spend Yankee/Dodger money. What I find find so frustrating is that they refuse to put themselves in the best position possible, or even in a reasonable position, given those constraints.

I said that this makes Hahn's work more indefensible than it already is. Avoid blaming Hahn? Good lord, I've been beating on his incompetence and laziness incessantly since they day he took the job.

If this is true, then it makes Hahn's performance as GM even more indefensible. He should have been all over analytics from the start and never part with young players with potential for 2 years of veteran salve. He should be all over the July trade deadline. He should have surrounded himself with talent evaluators and prioritized development. Instead, he just joined the JR friends and family party.

Mercedes needs to be protected. This guy raked across 2 levels, including in dreaded Birmingham. There' no reason not to to see what you have, especially with all of the players that have done nothing (like Madeiros) as the alternatives.