GreenSox

The Sox are 10 pitchers short. Hahn hits on maybe 25% (if that) of the free agent pitchers he signs. The only prospects close are injured, and there are only 2 of those. Position players are the least of the problems.

That's the way they've been for years. I'd add that their best home grown prospect in years, ahem, was an international signee. But they seem to like to abandon what works and repeat what fails.

Fulmer needs a new coach: someone who can make something of his great spin rates and speed up his tempo by a lot. No way should he need to paint the knees to get an out.

For better or worse, this is what the White Sox do.

Nice game....until they ran out of pitchers and brought in the organizational minor leaguers, which is about 1/2 of the pitching staff. Sox are about 8-10 major league pitchers short.

I know. I thought neither was on the 40 man.

Thanks. I didn't realize Stephens was on the 40 man. I had thought they left him off last December, people were worried he'd get picked in Rule 5, and he wasn't, so they glided him through.

He was having a poor year. And they released the other Jordan a couple of months ago, and he's pitching well for the Indians' AA team. I guess my question is why release these younger (relatively) guys, while keeping the certifiable Org Minor leaguers who are having equally poor years like Donn Roach around?

The 40 man contains one giant collection of organizational minor leaguers on the pitching side. It's appalling, really.

Good question. Probably. He's young and I'd like to let him simmer, but you have to give to get.

This one I kind of like. He has 4 years of control after this year. You’re not buying a career year; but he’s not really having a “down” year considering he’s only had 1 good year in his career and this is his 2nd to best and it isn’t bad. He is low K, but has good control. Similar Fly Ball % as Q, but is up this year, which is a concern. Looks like a lefty #4, which they could use. Some concern about Safeco v. GRF. Shouldn’t cost anyone in the top 10. If you want a top of the rotation guy, either grow your own or get aggressive on the FA market.

They want to trade him because relievers are "inconsistent." So, apparently, is analysis of relief pitchers from other teams. Anyway, the Pirate pulled this kind of thing last July and it was a disaster. Sox have some short term players to sell which could improve the team long-term. The position players are fine (or will be soon). Young pitching.

Sox 2 runs on 5 hits; Twins 1 run on 1 hit. It seems as though the comparative yields have been like this all season.

Buy low means paying the price of a reliever with a 1.45 WHIP. You think that's happening? Not a chance. I'm just being realistic - the White Sox don't buy low. And this isn't buyers season anyway...it's sellers season, which the Sox should be participating in. He's had one special year, a couple of good years, and then this year. In another thread there is post after post about dumping Bummer (who is on the improve) because relievers are inconsistent. Well.........? Take the time and gather young pitching with control.

Exactly what a rebuilding team should not be doing, particularly this time of year. Or the opposite of what this team should be doing.

For goodness sakes.

Which will never happen.

I hope so. Although I would think they'd have that worked out before the move. On the other hand, this isn't prime amateur scouting season (except for maybe Cod league), so maybe they wanted to get Hostetler quickly into pro scouting mode. Heck, I am talking in circles.

I don't know. There a lots of bats they stick there. Vaughn should be ready in a year and a half. If they need to sign someone short term for a year, that's fine. The issue isn't 1b or RF (good lord). It's pitching. Young pitching with control. 1/2 of this staff is org guys. Want to send someone down, all they have is org. guys to take their place.

Collins - they've worked him hard at 1st. Maybe they could try some others who show a decent bat.

I certainly think he should be traded. As for signing him back, perhaps, but I would hope we could do better (emphasis on hope) or even yet youngsters play the position.

Aside from my belief that the Sox don't really want to extend him, I doubt he'd take a market rate extension anyway. I doubt he has a firm grip on what his value really is (and how it's fallen) and will likely have to see the offers in the open market for reality to set in.

Mazara's played in the league for 4 years full-time and he's been remarkably consistent. 20 homers each of his first 3; on pace for that this season. His OPS has ranged from .729-.753. He may have tools, but in 3.5 seasons they haven't shown up. And there's certainly no reason to believe that this org. is the one to bring them out. Trading for any 2 year player is inane anyway at this point in the build. It's a sideshow that can only hurt long-term. Sign him as a FA in 2 years if we like him.

Mazara's a pretty consistent .745 OPS guy. That's not particularly good. Kemp is .725, a little less than not particularly good, but he plays more positions and has more control ( all of which makes him more interesting to me).

I wouldn't trade him. I think they get better value waiting. It's worth the risk.