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Sure he'll spend. He spent $40 million last year....on Colome (Yea), Herrera, Nova, Jay, and Alonso. On other topics: JBJ. Full Season WAR: 1.4; Adam Engel 1/2 season WAR: .8 37 year old Cano and his .736 OPS, with a 4 year commitment? (not to mention what the Sox will have to send to reduce that $96 million payroll liability). What? The Sox have scant little pitching. Stiever needs to be treated like the top prospect he is; not some trade fodder for average players.

Bad trades have been a major issue...so bad that after the trades we found out that the talent identification wasn't so bad (development may be another story, but that takes time anyway). I didn't think the Cole trade was that bad. Was Cole going to take himself up 2 levels with the Pirates like he did with the Astros? He only had 2 years left on his deal. Joe Musgrove is a solid pitcher (Pirates will probably peddle him this offseason; a situation in which Hahn might take a bite). Trading for Archer was atrocious - on the level of Hahn trading for Samardzija and Shields. All were indefensible even if the players given up hadn't turned out to be stars.

I readily accept that the Sox won't spend Yankee/Dodger money. What I find find so frustrating is that they refuse to put themselves in the best position possible, or even in a reasonable position, given those constraints.

I said that this makes Hahn's work more indefensible than it already is. Avoid blaming Hahn? Good lord, I've been beating on his incompetence and laziness incessantly since they day he took the job.

If this is true, then it makes Hahn's performance as GM even more indefensible. He should have been all over analytics from the start and never part with young players with potential for 2 years of veteran salve. He should be all over the July trade deadline. He should have surrounded himself with talent evaluators and prioritized development. Instead, he just joined the JR friends and family party.

Mercedes needs to be protected. This guy raked across 2 levels, including in dreaded Birmingham. There' no reason not to to see what you have, especially with all of the players that have done nothing (like Madeiros) as the alternatives.

From what I've read, Fulmer has a top notch spin rate. The Sox haven't been able to do a thing with it. But a team that actually uses analytics would probably love to get their hands on him. There really several other pitchers who should be out the door before him.

That's good to know. Mercedes also had an excellent year across 2 levels, including Birmingham where he ranked while others wilted.

Steverson came from outside the organization; that's the one "mistake" that they'll probably make sure that they don't make twice. On a macro level, the White Sox hitting was wanting. But some individual players improved. Adam Engel improved a lot. I'm just not sure how much they can really expect out of Yolmer, Leury, et al, regardless of coach.

Top $ for a career year. Pass. Hard. Sox have no business trading any pitching anyway.

I agree he has - wish they'd have played him more. Another player who has earned a return engagement albeit stealthily: Engel. It may be just luck or whatever, but his offensive numbers have seriously improved this season. .9 WAR in 1/2 a season of work. Want to keep improving players. Yolmer and Leury can go. They spent $30 mil last year on Nova, Alonso, Herrera and Jay. They could spend $70 million this year and get 3 starters and 2 good hitters and thus be respectable across the diamond with several positions a lot better than respectable.

We have one. Trading scarce prospects for these pitchers is how you clown it up like 2014-16. You end up with a team with no depth and everything has to go right and you have a 2 year window and then need to rebuild again.

For a hard-used, injured pitcher who just hit 30 and has a gargantuan contract? And trade 2 pitchers (including their best low-minors pitching prospect) when they are woefully short of pitchers. No thanks.

I'm sure there are. These are the fans that think once he gets into the Sox happy clubhouse, that he'll sign an extension for below market. These are the fans that believe that the Sox were legitimate contenders in June 2016; and that a 10 game winning streak was right around the corner.

If these 3 aren't on the 40 man, the FO needs their heads examined.

Looks like another 90 loss season for Rick Hahn. He slept through the July trading period and is using September to take care of the organizational minor leaguers, instead of developing talent. How long do Williams and Hahn get to try? Per the modern rebuilds, we should contend next season.

Strikeout more than 8.1/9; WHIP under 1 or preferably under .9

Obviously he's an upgrade. It's like the Frazier move. Premature and for a not great player (1 4.2 WR and the rest 2.5 or less). The Sox were fortunate the prospects didn't do much (not so fortunate in the Shields and Samardzija trades). The problem is that it's unlikely the Sox win during his 3 years on the contract. Look at the holes on this team: RF, 2B, Catcher, CF, DH, maybe 1B. Pitching, they have 1 for sure starter; Cease is a likely, Lopez is a maybe, Kopech a maybe. So they need 2 at least starters plus an extra which leaves them with no depth (3 starters minimum). And the pen...they don't have a single "ace" in the pen and they are way short on numbers. And then there's the bench. Those holes aren't getting filled in a season and probably not 2. And the very players that could perhaps fill those holes in a year or 2 are the ones that Hahn would have to trade away for him. (And I know, he won't trade Vaughn, Madrigal, Kopech or Robert....but he'd trade a few of anyone else).

No it isn't. But that's all they have (plus 1/2 a pitching staff) after year 3 of a rebuild.

Yes, if we want to top out at 80 wins. That's the nonsense Hahn did from 2014-16: trading prospects for good/not-great players when the team is still losing 90 games. But I think it's reasonable that Boston will be pushing him. And this FO repeatedly falls for the player that the other teams are pushing.

No they shouldn't. Certainly the Sox should clean house...but not to hire Dombrowski.

Indeed it is.

As long as Hahn is GM, the Sox will have some stiff like Renteria as manager.

This team and org. is a real piece of work.