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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 17, 2017 -> 06:22 PM) That was disgusting. Even the announcers couldn't figure out what was wrong for like 9 reviews, and it decides home field in the AFC. The fact that it took the replay officials five minutes to make the call tells me there was not disputable evidence. They were looking for a way to call the pass incomplete. Just awful.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 11:16 AM) At the very least, it would be fun to see him play in 2018. But if they do get him and don't re-sign him, or eventually flip him for prospects at least as highly thought of as the ones they give up, I'm with Balta, heads need to roll. Yeah, I agree. If he ends up coming here and plays the season and then signs elsewhere, that would be the worst case scenario. I would hope that Machado understands that coming to the Sox now means he's going to be part of a rebuild for at least one year. Or he would understand that he'll be flipped at the deadline.

If a deal for Machado does go down today or this weekend and the Sox end up getting him, there could be an explosion on the board. I've been checking in every 30 minutes or so half expecting the error message pop up saying the site is too busy.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 10:13 AM) Crazy that Hahn and company are trying to sell him on the culture. It's like arguing a player wants to be in our clubhouse because of the chemistry alone and not the winning. (thank you Don Cooper). Maybe they'll tell him he can shred one uniform he doesn't like, and if he re-signs he can bring his kid to work once a week.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 10:07 AM) No one really knows the offers, but if Machado is traded, the Orioles are going to get some pretty good prospects. Who knows, maybe Abreu and Avi are in the mix. Mark Gonzalez called the package impressive, so I doubt that is several A ball guys hoping to find their way. No doubt. He's one of the best in the game, and even if only for one season that's worth a lot. A team that acquires him could trade him at the deadline and still get a decent return, or they'll have the first chance at signing him to a long term deal if they don't trade him. The Sox's offer may not include the top prospects, but I tend to agree that there might be some ML talent attached.

QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 07:20 AM) That's why it's important to get him in the organization now if indeed you want a shot at his services next offseason. This is why, I'm sure, the Sox are pursuing him now. I would hope that it works. I think it would be difficult for the Sox to sign him next off season when there will be plenty of suitors who will be willing to pay a s*** ton of money.

The Sox aren't ready to compete despite what a guy in KC says. If they do acquire Machado, they'll have a pretty good offense that still will have a couple holes. The starting pitching has the potential to be really good, but that's only if things work out as they should. When the season starts, their rotation will be Giolito, Lopez, Shields, Fulmer, and maybe Covey (hopefully not). Who knows what we'll get out of Shields, and Giolito, Lopez, and Fulmer will still be learning and getting used to pitching in the majors. The bullpen is a mess. All that being said, I do expect them to be better than last year, but they will not be ready to compete. 2018 will be a building year for POSSIBLE contention in 2019 and certain contention in 2020 and beyond. By the way, no one gets upset when you start a thread.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:18 AM) I can't see how you're perceiving that upon reading the tweet. It was reported earlier that the Sox made the best offer to the O's. This tweet says other teams have made better offers. I was just asking which is true. I guess that no one actually knows except for the O's.

QUOTE (Sockin @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:10 AM) @BNightengale The #WhiteSox insist they have no intention to flip Manny Machado if they land him, but also believe other teams have made better offers to #Orioles So, who made the best offer? Supposedly the Sox, now maybe not. This is becoming pretty aggravating.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:38 AM) Daryl Van Schouwen‏Verified account @CST_soxvan 23s24 seconds ago More Hahn: "We are not looking to make any sort of move that’s aimed at simply jumping up and perhaps contending for a Wild Card or maybe even the division for one year. The focus remains on the long term. "Now, we may take some calculated risks along the way." Trading for Machado is more than a calculated risk. Depending on the package, it could be a huge risk.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:35 AM) https://mobile.twitter.com/scottmerkin/stat...329771035807744 Makes sense, but how would the Sox have the best offer for Machado if they're not "robbing Peter to pay Paul" at least a little?

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:16 AM) Scot Gregor‏ @scotgregor 5m5 minutes ago More Would assume any #WhiteSox trade package offer to Orioles started with Carlos Rodon I'm okay with this. Rodon and Avi? Do they need outfielders? Or would they be looking for a prospect or two with Rodon?

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:13 AM) Scott Merkin‏Verified account @scottmerkin Following Following @scottmerkin More Hahn: "Over the last year or so, you guys know how many of our transactions actually leaked out in advance vs. how many were perhaps a surprise or announced on White Sox letterhead for the first time. You can respond accordingly. What's he saying exactly? I think we at least heard about most of the deals (the big ones anyway) ahead of time.

Okay. Maybe I can step away for a while. Get some work done...

Phillies #23 prospect. Performed pretty well at AA last season.

QUOTE (ChicagoHeel @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 07:31 AM) Nightingale The #WhiteSox have no intention of flipping Manny Machado if they land him, they say, insisting he fits into their long-term plans And I'm sure he does, but do the Sox fit in his long term plans?

I was planning on being productive at work today. Damn Sox and their sneaky ways. The worst part is that nothing may be resolved today, and I'll end up mentally exhausted from this.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 07:16 AM) You'd pretty much be paying for a 7-month negotiation window. He can bring back a top 100 prospect at the deadline. Other rentals have throughout the years. Which gives the Sox a better chance at getting the guy long term. And that's okay provided they don't give up a ton for a chance to sign him. I believe that the Sox would have a pretty tough time signing him as a free agent, so having him be a part of the Sox culture for a while might help. Regardless, the Sox will have to willing to pay around $30 million a year for a long time.

QUOTE (Tony @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 07:02 AM) So what are you comfortable with the Sox trading? Who is off limits? Giolito, Lopez, Moncada (duh), Kopech, Collins, Eloy, Dunning off limits. I'd be okay with Anderson, Avi, and maybe even Rodon. A couple other arms in the minors would be okay, but I'm not as familiar with some as others on this board. I would hate any deal that includes Giolito, Lopez, Eloy, or Kopech, though.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 06:46 AM) https://twitter.com/danclarksports/status/941278096354787328 I don't know about this. Would Baltimore be willing to trade him to the Sox knowing they would flip him to a division rival? I believe that if the Sox are going to trade for Machado he'll be playing for the Sox in 2018...and hopefully beyond.

So one set of eyeballs means I can put my iPad down for a while, right?

An extension for Machado would have to be 7/$200 at a minimum. I would think he'd want more years though.

Plenty of scrubs on Twitter saying the Sox are one of five teams who have made a trade offer for Machado. I think they're all reposting some random post.

I don’t see any team giving up players the caliber of Giolito and Lopez for a year of Machado. Hopefully the Sox don’t do something like that.

I’d like to hear something from raBBit. WSDave knows something, but I need more!