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QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 10:43 AM) How do we know there are fewer teams? Every time we think this, more teams show up. KC was done with Gordon, Det was too broke to get Cespedes, Miami wasn't supposed to get Chen, Col already had 3 OF'ers & still signed Parra. At this point, narrowing it down to a few teams has proved to be pretty off. Right now, we need to assume the Sox are one of 5-10 teams on him, whether it's logical or not. I suppose we don't know how many teams are in the hunt. My point was that Baltimore and Detroit were two teams that we all were worried about, and they have since signed others. Plus, with the Davis and Upton contracts being long-term, I believe Cespedes is still wanting a longer term deal. If the Mets will truly not go past 3 years, they may be out. If the Sox will go to 4 years AND pay the higher AAV, maybe they are in good shape. Unless Cespedes decides to take a short deal (1 or 2 years), I would think the Sox and Angels may be the true front runners.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 10:38 AM) great post. however lets look at this little correction. ref the bold, this is a big assumption for him to come back to a player he once was. the second one is with ceps is something to be in awe of, if all things goes right. I would think that it would be either LaRoche or Melky in the mix of 3-4-5. I threw LaRoche in there assuming that he'll rebound somewhat. Hell, if LaRoche hits like he used to AND the Sox sign Cespedes, the offense would be very potent.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 10:00 AM) Does 4/90 get it done? I would think so, but that all depends on what other teams may offer. There are fewer teams now, and I think it could be down to the Mets and Sox. However, who knows.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 10:32 AM) Without him, I think we finish between 3rd-5th in the division. With him, I think we can win the division. He's a 4-6 win player that brings presence to this lineup that strikes fear into pitchers. This is a good way to look at it: Your 3-4-5 hitters could be Abreu, Frazier, LaRoche or Abreu, Frazier, Cespedes. He would make the middle of the lineup so much better.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 19, 2016 -> 09:38 AM) Hypothetically, if Cespedes' camp told the White Sox FO that they would accept a deal exactly like Upton's, would the Sox do it? Would you guys as fans be ok with it if they did? No, I don't see the Sox offering a deal similar to Upton's. And if on the way off chance they did, I can't imagine many of us (on the board) would be too excited. It'd be great to have Cespedes on the team, but that much money locked up for that long? No.

The Upton deal leads me to believe that Cespedes will now be more likely to be pushing for a longer term deal. Unless he decides to take a 2-year deal in at attempt to cash in again in 2018. So, I'm going to stick with my guess of Fowler, although I wouldn't mind Jackson at this point. I will be very disappointed if the Sox go into the season with Garcia starting in RF.

I voted for Fowler. I'll be surprised if Garcia is the starting right fielder once the season starts...however, I would have said that statement a lot more emphatically three weeks ago. As each day goes by, I fell less optimistic about Cespedes. But, I find it hard to believe that the Sox won't upgrade the outfield and the offense, especially with the trade for Frazier. I'd be plenty content with Fowler batting second, helping Eaton to set the table for Abreu, Frazier, LaRoche, and Melky.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jan 15, 2016 -> 02:50 PM) I've heard that he's a French model too. I also heard that the Orioles will be changing the "O" on their caps to a "YO" once Cespedes signs with them. I believe that will be part of the contract he signs.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 15, 2016 -> 09:26 AM) If it's not shot in the "found footage" way I'd be interested. It is not a found footage movie. I did read that in one of the articles.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 15, 2016 -> 07:29 AM) If they tested it with audiences and liked it, how was it kept a secret? Mary Elizabeth's Winstead pretty much confirmed its a sequel on Facebook. It was tested as Valencia, but it would seem that someone would have said something if it was a true sequel. That leads me to believe that it's different enough to just be related to the original. And I did see her Facebook post saying it was a sequel. JJ Abrams will only say that it's a "blood relative" of the original that takes place in the same universe.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 15, 2016 -> 07:10 AM) I thought Cloverfield was annoying but this teaser is interesting and kudos to them for keeping it secret. The movie was originally called The Cellar and then Valencia before it was titled 10 Cloverfield Lane. I tried to find more information on it, but it is still wrapped in secrecy. From what I was able to gather, though, viewers shouldn't expect to see the monster. Apparently it tested extremely high with audiences, and there are some major twists. I'm intrigued.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 10:17 PM) Did they secretly make a Cloverfield sequel? If so, why? http://www.slashfilm.com/10-cloverfield-la...-cloverfield-2/ Just came here to post something about it. Apparently, 10 Cloverfield Lane is a "blood relative" of Cloverfield. The trailer looks pretty awesome:

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 11:30 AM) Here's what I continue to not like about Fowler. He is not a bad player. He's a good player! But I hate this outfield for the next 3 years: Melky Eaton Fowler At its best, that is maybe 45 HRs from the outfield, but more realistically it is around 30. We would still want to upgrade one of those positions throughout fowlers contract. Good point, but I would hope the HR total from those three would be closer to 45 than 30. Melky has two years left, so unless he is somehow moved (either in a trade or to the DH role after this year), the outfield would be lacking in power for at least through the 2017 season.

QUOTE (Sockin @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 11:21 AM) Brian Bilek ‏@ChiSoxraBBit Seeing lots of talk about him, received multiple reports that the #WhiteSox could sign Dexter Fowler in the near future. Brian Bilek ‏@ChiSoxraBBit #WhiteSox are active in both FA and trade market, but Cespedes interest has been moved to the back burner to less pricey alternatives. Makes sense. If Cespedes is stuck on either the 5-6 year deal or a high dollar 1-year deal, I'm fine with the Sox moving on. Fowler would be a good 2-hole hitter. Between him and Eaton to set the table for Abreu and Frazier...could be good.

I'm sure I'll have to adjust this as time goes on, but here's my list in no particular order: Shawshank Redemption Edge of Tomorrow Terminator 2 Airplane! Pulp Fiction The Wolf of Wall Street Field of Dreams Evil Dead Trilogy Scream Blazing Saddles Saving Private Ryan The Sandlot Monty Python and The Holy Grail Cabin In The Woods Cloverfield Planes Trains and Automobiles I'm sure there are more...

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 06:39 AM) Yup, that article pretty much sums up the situation perfectly and IMO shows why the Sox are in a good spot. Very few teams with OF needs actually have the resources to land Cespedes or Upton at this point in time. While we all go back and forth on how much budget the Sox have left, I strongly believe they have the resources to sign one of these guys as long as the terms aren't ridiculous. Given how the market is playing out, I really think that will be the case. No reason not to be optimistic. I go back and forth about being optimistic, but the article does make me feel better. No matter what, though, if the Sox were to sign Cespedes (or Upton for that matter), the 2016 payroll will be one of the highest ever for the team. I would imagine the Sox would be willing to have a higher payroll this year knowing that $29 million is coming off the books next year. That is, however, all dependent on what kind of deals Cespedes and Upton ultimately get. As each day goes by it looks more and more like they will end up with shorter deals, but you never know.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 12, 2016 -> 12:20 PM) [Rick Hahn evil laugh]

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jan 12, 2016 -> 12:18 PM) Carlos Gonzalez is signed for 2 more yrs at $17 and $20 mil. Same 2-year window as Frazier. Won't have to pay Cespedes 4 years. Just sayin. https://twitter.com/ChuckGarfien/status/686975117012893696 True. It's a lot of money, and the Sox apparently have said no to swapping Q for Cargo. So, unless the Rockies would agree to a lesser deal, I don't think there's any chance.

This almost certainly means the Rockies will be trading an outfielder, correct? I know there was talk of the Sox being interested in CarGo, but have they checked in on Blackmon?

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 12, 2016 -> 10:42 AM) Fowler's defense isn't looked at as much of improvement from the current, "as of today", outfield. It looks like he could come at a major discount, but the cost of the draft pick is probably a bigger hurdle. I really haven't seen much in the way of speculation on what type of deal Fowler could get. What would you think would be fair, especially considering the draft pick?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 03:07 PM) FWIW, the draft pick might actually be something the Sox could want to give up in a signing like this, as it would actually save them a couple of million dollars, during the draft process. That's an interesting thought.

What would be a fair package for Gonzalez?

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 06:56 AM) good lord, listening to Phil Rogers is painful. He was just on the score and was musing about Upton taking a 1 or 2 year deal, then transitioned to "the white sox hope that Avisail will develop into what Cespedes already is" why do people pay this man for baseball thoughts Ugh. The Sox wouldn't be actively looking for an outfielder if they truly hoped that Avisail could become Cespedes.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 10:06 AM) How many teams offered Gordon 4 years other than KC? What are the current offers for Cespedes? What are the offers for Upton? What was the Sox best offer for Gordon? If you answered I really don't know to these questions, any whining about the White Sox and how they are NEGOTIATING currently with free agents is premature. You're right, and most of the whining is just us throwing our thoughts out there because there just hasn't been any news...except for the Sox saying (supposedly) that they won't go over three years. Bottom line is, though, that we don't know what offers are out there, and we don't know what the Sox offered Gordon. But it is concerning when the oldest guy of the big three gets a four year deal at $18 million per year, and the Sox are supposedly not going to offer Cespedes more than three years.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 09:36 AM) I can accept losing out on Cespedes or Upton if it requires doing something dumb. But this not going over three years idea is beyond ridiculous. We have Chris Sale under control for four more seasons and our goal should be to maximize our ability to win during that window. The next two free agent classes are bad, so refusing to sign one of these guys will either hinder our chances to compete in the near future or cost us significant minor league talent. How is either option preferable to signing one of these guys to a 4 year deal? Honestly, I'm going to lose my s*** if we lose out on these guys because of this three year nonsense. I agree. If Cespedes signs somewhere else for 4/$90 or 5/$110 or something like that, and it turns out the only reason the Sox lost out was because of the years, there will be a pissed off fan base. And yes, I recognize that he MIGHT get more than that, but the Heyward and Gordon contracts weren't as huge as it was once thought they would be.