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QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 20, 2013 -> 12:16 PM) Love me some soaked dates. Not that I'm a vegan but that recipe actually sounds pretty good. Yeah it is, you could replace the hemp protein for something else and make it non-vegan. It would probably also taste a bit less grassy. But I don't mind that really. lol

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 20, 2013 -> 12:04 PM) What do they consist of? 1 Small Pear 3/4 cup fresh or soaked Dates 1/2 cup Sunflower Seeds 1/4 cup Ground Flaxseeds 1/4 cup Hemp Protein 1/4 cup Walnuts 2 Tbsp Fresh Grated Ginger Sea Salt to taste 2 Tbsp Sesame Seeds Mix all ingredients in a food processor except for sesame seeds. Lay out batter, cover with sesame seeds and let dry for an hour or two. Cut into squares, shape into balls, etc, then keep in the freezer for up to a week. (They don't freeze solid)

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 20, 2013 -> 11:47 AM) Kansas GOP House Speaker ‘Prays’ That Obama’s ‘Children Be Fatherless And His Wife A Widow’ why don't people like this get arrested and charged for treason?

(and yes, Powerblocks are the best)

just made my own vegan, whole food energy bars. it's super easy... and way cheaper than buying them in the store.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 09:31 PM) This thread gone off the rails, like the finance one did. was... this thread ever ON the rails? pretty sure it started with Clint Eastwood yelling at a chair...

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 08:32 PM) Dude, why is that funny to you? Seriously. none died. thus it's just funny and ironic and well timed for folks on my side of gun rights.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 08:32 PM) Like I said, coming from a rather unique perspective...they didn't do that because they were evil pieces of garbage...they did it because if they didn't, they'd watch their 2 year old daughters, sons, and wife burn instead. Again, this all came from the very top...who had the power and control to carry it out. In this world, with the sheer size of our military, if anything like this started to occur, you'd see anarchy and revolt from the soldiers within minutes. Information travels rather fast these days. Back then, the only people who knew the consequences of not following the mans orders were the people involved...and that wasn't many in comparison to today. Oh, and they had no phones, etc...either. So word traveled...quite...slow. yeah i literally said the same thing a page or two ago. we agree.

ANYWAY - 4 people got shot at gun shows today. lolz

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 08:27 PM) Even under those circumstances, the SS were NOT normal, and there weren't many willing, nor capable of being SS, either. Not sure where you heard that. The higher ups in Hitler's military are the ones who carried out his most heinous orders, not regular military, as many of you seem to believe. Ok, but it was the prison officers who actually PUT people in the ovens, is what we're saying. I'm not talking about the person to give the order.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 08:18 PM) Sorry guys, but I have to chime in again. I have quite a unique perspective on what life was like in Nazi Germany, as my dad actually lived in it, so I have been privy to what life was actually like from a person that actually lived it until his teens. Also, for full disclosure, and don't hold this against me...my grandfather (my fathers father), fought in WWII on the Nazi side. Like Ptac said, no, these were NOT normal people, because the time, and mostly, the situation in which they lived made them different people. In ways none of you could imagine. People were starving to death in Germany, so to quote the phrase, 'don't bite the hand that feeds you', fits more so than it would here, at this present time. If Hitler commanded one of his people to do something heinous, they did it, not only out of fear of the man that went from a being a lowly Private in WW1 to leading that entire country by WW2, but because he owned them to the point that he'd slaughter their families for disobeying. Hitler also had something pretty infamous called the SS...and THOSE were the people that carried out his most heinous orders. And again, the SS were NOT ordinary people, so please, can it. That s*** wouldn't happen here. Some of you may hate Obama with every fiber of your being, but I guarantee the man would NEVER order his military to airstrike his own civilians. But again, that's Obama, in 2013. We don't know who will come into power in 2090 or what the state of the world will be like at that time...and the point is, we are a completely different people, living in a completely different world than the people who lived in Nazi Germany, following Hitlers command to the most minute detail. Hitler commanded a rather small, well trained military in his time, in addition to an even smaller and super well trained to the point of being robotic SS. Our current military, by size alone, would be IMPOSSIBLE to control in the same manner. So please, let's stop pretending otherwise. we're saying they were normal in the sense that most people under THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES would have done more or less the same thing. And by this I don't mean the higher ups, as I'll agree that those people were a special breed of evil - all we're saying is that people in groups are capable of really horrific things, and the circumstances of 1930's Germany lent themselves to the desensitization of the German people - thus why there were so many who were capable and willing to be a part of things like the SS.

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QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 07:40 PM) And if you would have asked a German Jew who served for Germany in WWI if they thought in 20 years theyd be in a death camp because they were anti-German, they would have said you were crazy. Desperate times cause people to cling to desperate beliefs. This. In SPADES.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 07:19 PM) I agree with your comments in theory. But the "where does it stop" that scares me. If we can guarantee what the politician can change and what they can't it would be different. You have to have the belief that they will do the right thing. However, as stated earlier if you think that anyone can commit the atrocities like Germany did, this should really give you pause that they will do the right thing. I don't think simply anyone can do what Hitler did, but I DO believe that when put into a situation like those grunts were, normal, every day, good people are capable of horrible things. you and I are capable of horrible things - we just don't believe it because we've never been in that circumstance where it's do ______ or you die. More than that, do ______ or we murder your family in front of you THEN you die. what choice did those enlisted german soldiers HAVE if they signed up before the war? Have you seen A Few Good Men? Soldiers follow orders, end of story.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 07:19 PM) I agree with your comments in theory. But the "where does it stop" that scares me. If we can guarantee what the politician can change and what they can't it would be different. unfortunately even if we were to make limits like that, they - just like the 2nd amendment - would eventually become obsolete. our government and the documents used to rule NEED to be malleable because as circumstance change and as the world changes, the law needs to change with it. we're at a point in history where one such law needs changing. that's the way it works.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 07:01 PM) If you agree with all of this, why are you happy with allowing the government to have more control over anything? If the normal people currently in our government are capable of these atrocities then you should push for government de-regulation so they cannot do this type of thing. i think the government does plenty of shady crap, believe me, but I also don't trust people at a local level. Hell that congressman in Kansas who prayed for the President's death - who prayed that his wife would be widowed and his kids would be fatherless - would have even MORE power. That's not acceptable either. but i also don't think the world is black and white. I think there are some things the government should have their hands in, and some things they shouldn't. guns are certainly one of those things the government should be involved in. When it comes to the welfare of the majority of the people (guns, civil rights, etc), I think the government has a responsibility to do what it can to that end. And yes, you're going to say 'well what constitutes the welfare of the majority of people' and to that I'd say... that's why I vote Democrat.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 05:59 PM) Not really. Hitler used the Beer Hall Putsch and his subsequent arrest/media exposure to as a way to become a public figure. I think you are confusing once Hitler was already powerful and the Brown Shirts (Nazi supporters) began to attack the German military. The German military was separate from Hitler to start and under Hindenburg. When the Brown Shirts (SA) got out of control, Hitler had to destroy the SA and Rohm to show that he was not supporting the violence on the street. If you are interested its called "Night of Long Knives" when the SS (Hitlers guard) kills the SA (Rohm and the Brownshirts, the thugs). I disagree. A normal person can do these things. If you look at history, it is more common for people to do things like Hitler to minorities, than for people to treat minorities equally. Normal people thought slaves werent human, normal people thought Jews werent human. They werent killing a human. They were killing a Jew, a Christ killer who killed God and destroyed Germany. The Jews were the reason that Germans were poor. The Jews were the reason why all of the bad things happened. In America we have no problem shooting terrorists with drones. Most normal Americans dont care. Yet you believe normal Germans cared about Jews, who were considered enemies of the state and were worse than terrorists? They were normal people. This is exactly what I am talking about. In 100 years it will be that Hitler acted alone, that not 1 German civilian went along with it. You just proved my point. The people in the military went along with it. They did not stop Hitler. They did not say no even though Hitler took more power then he was given. They were complicit. The German army was separate from Hitler to start, but they had no problem supporting him. That is the point, you just made the point. Regular people were part of the Holocaust. Regular soldiers from all parts of Germany. Your comparison isnt very good. It would be like saying that if Obama dissolved govt and then the military by choice joined in with Obama and then none of the people stood up against Obama and said he was wrong. You can claim its fear, but that isnt the point. The point is, regular people, due to fear, due to want, due to who cares, killed millions of humans. To say anything else is to just further perpetrate the myth that somehow Nazi Germany is "different" and that "wont happen anywhere else. *slow clap*

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 05:11 PM) They were not normal people. Most of the higher ranking people were just sick with power or had other problems. The people at the lower levels were just afraid for their lives as their neighbors disappeared. Let's take medicine for example. Where did he get the idea that cold can help injuries. How cold can the the skin get before it breaks down? It all comes from experiences that the Nazi physician's did with freezing (and killing people at the concentration camps. These people are not normal. A normal human being could not do that to another. i'm sorry. most of the higher ranking officers probably didn't shoot a single jew. it was the grunts that bore that burden. and yes, they were just regular people following orders.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 02:50 PM) Just backing you up a bit However, the huge effort expended by this country during WW2 very well may be a large part why you and I are able to do just about everything we do in our everyday lives, and we need to always remember that. absolutely, but a blanket statement that rape doesn't matter because there are worse things that have happened to the whole of human kind throughout history ignores the fact that for that victim, that's simply untrue. and it's pretty gross to say what Duke said. shockingly.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 02:40 PM) No words. on a personal level, in your every day life, are you constantly affected by WW2? I'm just saying that on a personal level, being raped is much more impactful than WW2. but yes, I do see how my hyperbole caused that to be an ironic statement.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 02:29 PM) I meant outraged. You are like me. No one really takes you seriously on this board.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 02:05 PM) Compared to WW2, it IS minimal. It's called a comparison. I know you know what that is, you just like ignoring things that make your point harder to get across. so ignorant. to that girl, and that girls family, WW2 pales in comparison. WW2 means jack s*** to anyone who wasn't alive at the time.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 02:02 PM) I'm not minimizing rape, you're just maximizing it. no words.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 01:53 PM) Keep minimizing rape! Which I have no idea why you even brought up in the first place. same reason he brought up gays and AIDS. he needs an outlet for his hatred and bigotry so he veils it as "a comparison"

QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 11:25 AM) Is this relevant to the discussion? Jews having guns wouldn't have stopped Hitler.