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QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 10:07 AM) See, this is the disconnect for me in this discussion. There are people who have guns, who have grown up with guns and don't live on top of someone else because they have land and space. They DO use guns on the weekends for kicks. I grew up with land and I would routinely go out and shoot at cans or clay pigeons or whatever. I wasn't killing anything. I wasn't shooting someone because I needed to wait for a pizza, I shot at a plastic or tin object because it was FUN to do. Surprisingly i'm not some deranged individual that might shoot someone at any moment! Shocking! Edit: bolded the wrong part. fixed. but just because YOU'RE sane, doesn't mean we shouldn't make laws to help keep guns out of the hands of the insane!

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 09:57 AM) There is one big difference. In those other countries, they censor violence and celebrate sex. In America it's the opposite. A kid can watch someone get their head blown off, but god forbid he sees a boob! i dunno... animes are pretty violent AND boobtastic.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 09:21 AM) Not when she is 1500 miles away with a boyfriend of 2 years guess someone's getting bored and sees you as a safe way to get her kicks since the two of you can't ACTUALLY hook up.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 09:53 AM) Most people would agree to better laws and regulations to reduce drunk driving incidents. I wish I could say the same thing about gun homicides. WHOA WHOA WHOA Freedom and America dude. Sorry, I mean 'Murica

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 09:53 AM) Great book - and I imagine they will botch the movie. god i hope not...

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 09:27 AM) That's because it is. You cannot "confuse" muscles. You can only overload a muscle, causing it to begin a rebuilding process to become bigger/stronger. Billions have been spent by that industry to perpetuate the 'muscle confusion' lie. The only thing changing up a routine (aka muscle confusion) actually does is prevent workout boredom, and causes you to use a wide array of muscles. If that's what you want to call muscle confusion, fine...we can say it works. But all that actually is, is working out properly. IE, a full body workout is better than doing bicep curls every day. Has nothing to do with "confusion", however. hold on hold on.... you said switching up your workout is good because it works muscles in different ways, thus why i feel so incredibly sore, but that muscle confusion (i know it's a fancy term, we don't have to call it that if you want) isn't at all real? I agree that they've overhyped and oversimplified it to be consumed by the masses, but boredom isn't the reason my biceps are sore this morning without doing one curl.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 03:58 PM) Aligning myself primarily with libertarians, I will just say that is the worst idea I've ever heard in my entire life unless you are training an army to have no fear and to conquer Europe. it worked in Ender's Game

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 09:39 AM) It's funny how we have the worst homicide rate in the world involving guns for westernized societies, by a wide margin, and half the population thinks it has absolutely nothing to do with our lax gun laws. All the other countries play the same video games, watch the same movies from Hollywood, and have nerdy high school boys who are ostracized.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 09:20 AM) This thread has arrived at exactly where I expected it to arrive. Which is: Agree with my opinions and I'll agree you're right. The #1 talking point of the "open minded". honestly i hate when people say this. You can have an OPINION on something like abortion when it comes down to whether or not you THINK the fetus is a person or not. THAT'S opinion. When it comes down to guns being designed to be used to intentionally kill large numbers of people, that's NOT an opinion, but a FACT. Just like it's a fact that cars are not made for the same purpose as a gun, thus car-related deaths are not comparable to gun related deaths in just about any respect.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 09:10 AM) That's because you're used to doing P90X now, you're conditioned for it. After a spell, you'll be conditioned for this, too, and it will also stop hurting. I played Hockey for years, but I always *loved* baseball...at the time, I was in shape enough to play hockey every single day...so one day we decided to play baseball...and the next day I thought I got hit by a truck. I simply wasn't in the same condition for those movements. And here I thought muscle confusion was just fancy marketing.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 12:38 AM) Compared to cars and other motor vehicles, yes. But I wasn't comparing the two. My point was that just because you don't value guns or use them doesn't mean that others don't. I just stated that guns have productive uses and aren't "utterly useless" to everyone. Not having guns would impact the society that I live in. I use them for many practical purposes. Like what? I'm sure guns are just as necessary as your car...

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 11:58 PM) When did I say that any of these things were the exact same thing? I'm just bringing up other analogous products. a·nal·o·gous /əˈnaləgəs/ Comparable in certain respects, typically in a way that makes clearer the nature of the things compared. yes, they're analogous in the sense that a car can kill 30 people and so can a gun (though a single car killing 30 people seems a bit far fetched), but that's where it STOPS because the fact that one is *almost* intentional and one IS intentional means that they're not completely similar, and thus one can't be used to define the other! I just don't see the logic you're using.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 11:53 PM) Again, as I said, if you are continually repeating negligence, it gets closer and closer to intent. i didn't realize closer and closer meant the same thing as actually BEING intent.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 11:53 PM) The driver's license test requires a psych evaluation? I have a friend who suffers from seizures and thus cannot drive. so... sometimes.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 11:50 PM) Well, I assume you mean a product when operated as the manufacturer intended it to be? How about almost any motor vehicle? you still aren't getting the intent part. even when you get plastered, you're still NOT INTENDING, NOT PLANNING, NOT EXPECTING to kill people. end of story man!

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 11:49 PM) That is a portion of the point. How much control should the government have in regulating things. There is a limit as to how much the government can control every situation while taking reasonable restrictions. In the case of firearms, making automatic weapons illegal is a reasonable restriction. However, when you just say we need less guns there needs to be a reasonable why to do it without being too restrictive. I haven't heard a reasonable one. My view on guns, posted earlier in the thread: "*Regulations governing how guns are attained* Yes, I think you should be allowed to own a gun if you want to, but there needs to be a thorough background check, waiting period, psychiatric evaluation, and potentially even a registry that shows how many guns and what kind a person has/owns. Don't see what's wrong with all that - in fact, we do all of that when giving someone a driver's license, so why not with guns?" Tell me what's unreasonable about this.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 11:46 PM) I was just responding to your statement. I'm actually on your side of this. I have never even held a real gun, let alone shot one. But that doesn't mean that there aren't other analogous products that are perfectly lawful that cause similar harm, whether directly or indirectly. give me one other product that can intentionally level 30 people in 60 seconds

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 11:44 PM) Is it? I disagree. If you allow enough people to operate motor vehicles while under the influence of some intoxicating substance, it is pretty much a statistical fact that some percentage of those people or others they come into contact with will be injured or die. they still don't do it ON PURPOSE. Malice of forethought. it's a thing. good grief.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 11:41 PM) You absolutely can. Why do you think such strict safety and health regulations exist in so many industries? ughhhh now you're comparing manufacturing and safe work environments to gun contol? is there anything you WON'T try to equate with this topic? just ridiculous strawman arguments all around.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 11:40 PM) One could make a pretty good argument that the way alcohol/drugs/tobacco are used in our society that the difference between intent and "indirect" is pretty slim. straight up bulls***.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 11:35 PM) Which is why I said directly or indirectly. And as was noted earlier, there are all kinds of accidental gun deaths every year. you (generally speaking) can't legislate to prevent accidents from happening.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 11:33 PM) This is the drunk driver example. More people die at the hands of a drunk driver than with guns. All of the victims were innocent and DID NOT CHOOSE to have it happen. sure, absolutely, which is why there are laws AGAINST drinking and driving. is there a law against drinking and owning a gun?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 11:32 PM) ? Sure they do. Drugs cause the direct and indirect deaths of all kinds of people. Guns, booze, narcotics, cigarettes...they all are similar in that society seemingly tolerates them or tries not to (but they exist anyways due to extraordinary demand) and they cause harm to innocent people, directly and indirectly. not at ALL in the same way guns do - with INTENT.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/...ions/?hpt=hp_t2 Only 13% believe there should be no restrictions on owning guns. baller.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 11:31 PM) It is not ridiculous. Alcohol kills when it impairs the driver and he hits someone. Alcohol is not a danger except in this person. Guns only kill people in the hands of the wrong person. so you agree that people don't kill people, guns kill people?