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QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 12:16 PM) That's the exact argument conservatives use against welfare. If they want to get out of poverty enough, they'll do it. Self-reliance and stuff i don't think they're exactly the same argument. but i do see the conflict, and you raise a valid point that I hadn't thought of. - Live in a violent area Option 1) Leave Option 2) Buy a gun that could be used in a deadly crime or accident - Poor Option 1) Work your ass off without welfare Option 2) Work your ass off WITH welfare Option 3) Be lazy on welfare and abuse the system I think the difference is that welfare and upward mobility aren't mutually exclusive like with scenario 1... Regardless, this is something I have to think about and I don't have a clear view on it at this point

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 12:11 PM) u can haz cheezeburger that's way better.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 03:32 AM) When I thought about the scene in the classroom as the punk reloaded his gun, the terror on the kids who had yet to be killed. Maybe if he had actually needed to reload, someone could've tackled him/stopped him/done something.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 11:48 AM) Well let's be honest, there are plenty of people in this city that can't afford to move their families and unfortunately a lot of them live in the major problem areas. They aren't automatically bad parents. Having said that, I do agree with Dick's point. As long as you can afford to, moving your family to a safer area is always going to be the better choice than buying a handgun for your home. i knew that would be the response and it's a cop out. if something is important to you, you can find a way to make it happen. your family's lives should probably rank pretty high on the list.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 03:32 AM) I was listening to Huckabee tonight on O'Reilly. Say what you want about him, he made a couple interesting points. One was that you can't stop these kind of things. As he stayed it it is an issue of the heart. His claim was that people who are evil and want to do horrific things will do them. Now admittedly this 20 year old punk killer had it easy since apparently his mom owned the guns. Another question I want to ask the good people of Sox talk. We have our disagreements about Ozzie, but I respect many many people on here and want your opinion. This killer was 20 years old, raised in the current public school system. My question to you is: Is the fact all mention of God has been removed from society, the fact kids today are raised that there is no God and God is a dirty word (you won't hear the word in public schools of course) and there is no accountability to a higher power, that the younger generation is being raised in an unhealthy way, a way that will lead to more of these situations? God-fearing people do not kill kindergartners for gosh sakes. Also, the way Johnny is raised today ... Johnny can do no wrong. Johnny is always right. Johnny gets equal playing time with all the other kids on his team; Johnny gets a trophy for finishing last. Is there something wrong with our society in the way we are raising our kids??? I know I didn't explain this well enough, maybe somebody can read what I am trying to say. Tell me ... what is going on today?? Why these mass killings? What is the fundamental issue? Did I get it right or not? I will tell you this, if this continues??? In 20 years we will be waiting 90 minutes to get into a church; 90 minutes to get into a movie theatre, 90 minutes to enter a hospital, it'll take 5 hours to get on a plane by the time you arrive at the airport; 90 minutes to get into the doors of a sports event. There will be so much security it will make your head spin. I'm sick over this. Yes I had tears stream down my face today. When I thought about the scene in the classroom as the punk reloaded his gun, the terror on the kids who had yet to be killed. The pain thinking about the parents of those kids!!!! I'm so sad and pissed and sick over this. i can haz persnal attakk?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 11:17 AM) That is definitely the rub. I think if you really have a fear of someone armed breaking into your home, you really need to move. That would be the best way to protect your family. haha THANK YOU. if you live in a place that's so unsafe that your family's at risk, what kind of parent would you be if you didn't MOVE!?

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 10:21 AM) This is the part that is unacceptable to me. There is no reason for a child to be able to access a gun. I have a number of rifles and shotguns. We go shooting and hunting on a regular basis. The guns are never out of the safe at home. I have the key in a spot they cannot find let alone reach. You read about this thing happening so often and it's the parent's fault for not teaching the children properly and not securing them. as a hunter i've got a question - when is a semi-automatic rifle useful in a hunting scenario? the moment you fire, unless your aim was on, that game is bounding off through the woods, leaving you plenty of time to reload, no?

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QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 01:52 AM) You don't or can't. There is no way to stop it. Only way you can stop things like this is to be prepared. lol so explain to me why gun violence rates in every other civilized country is lower than in the US

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 01:49 AM) That all goes to poor judgement on the mothers part... she knew her kid was troubled. She decided it was a good idea to buy guns anyway. Bad parenting there. and there are lots of bad parents across america. how do we keep their bad decisions from killing children like this?

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 01:47 AM) I doubt it will ever come... many people will refuse to give up their guns. As I told a friend earlier on, they made alcohol illegal and that didn't stop anyone from getting alcohol. All it will do is bring forth the black market gun dealers and people will still get guns... it won't stop anything. the average american isn't going to risk prosecution by buying semi and automatic weapons on the black market. no one wants to take all your guns, just the ones designed for killing a lot of people fast.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 01:44 AM) I guess it's a bit easier for Bloomberg to go off on President Obama...since there's probably a closer split in NYC over gun rights. No matter how many times one discusses this issue of the right to have a gun as part of a militia (which was the context 200 years ago with the Revolutionary War and War of 1812), the Articles of Confederation (especially), where there was not one unified national military for the new country...the argument keeps going around and around in circles. One wonders when the "tipping point" will actually come where people start changing their minds on this gun control/gun rights issue. this was it. mark my words. this s*** ain't going away this time.

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 01:42 AM) I know because I spend time with my family and I pay attention to them. Given people can snap.. but this kid was mentally messed up and they knew it and he needed help. If he would have gotten the help he may not have done this is all I'm saying. Just having a gun doesn't make it more likely people are going to go on rampages.. hell if he didn't have a gun, he could have made pipe bombs, molotov cocktails... what ever to do the job. but the fact that the guns were in the house and accessible made it EASIER for him to kill 20+ kids.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 01:41 AM) But then again if he truly does have aspengers and it could result in violent behavior then there should not have been guns accessible in the house exactly. thus the requirement of a psychiatric profile before being allowed to purchase guns. needs to happen

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 01:38 AM) Mine are semi auto.. its illegal to have fully auto. The purpose they serve is to be able to fire off more rounds at a target b4 having to reload them. yeah no s***. what kind of target?

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 01:35 AM) I have several as well... no one in my household is planning on going on a gun rampage... so yeah don't think that holds up. Then again no one is mentally ill in my family either. and how the hell do you know???

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 01:35 AM) I have several as well... no one in my household is planning on going on a gun rampage... so yeah don't think that holds up. Then again no one is mentally ill in my family either. out of curiosity - why do you have automatic weapons? what purpose do they serve?

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 01:29 AM) To me this shouldn't even be about gun rights or even God... this more speaks to the care of the mentally ill. This kid was messed up and if they would have given him the care he needed this may have been averted. However, I know everyone has their agenda when these things happen. well, ya know, and the fact that his mom bought 3 semi auto/auto weapons...

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 12:52 AM) I was just reading over in China there was a guy who stabbed 22 kids and one teacher today as well.. WTF is with these crazy mofos refer to the second page of this thread. none of them died. thus guns = more deadly than no guns. ruins all 2nd amendmenters arguments EDIT: by this thread, i meant the other gun thread...

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:41 PM) Guns should be legal, but ownership rules should be strict and actually enforced well. It should probably be made a federal law that background checks are mandatory for gun ownership. That said, people who do this stuff will get their hands on a gun or some weaponry to do this type of damage still. I agree with you. Also think there should be a psychiatric evaluation

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:32 PM) Great, you've proven crazy people do crazy things. and that when that person doesn't have a gun, no one DIES

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:23 PM) Anything can be used as a weapon to kill if the person wants it to. Blaming guns is idiotic IMO. Let's ban automobiles, they cause fatal DUI accidents! Put all the restrictions and bans and laws out there that you want. At the end of the day all you're doing is hurting the law abiding people out there. Man Injures 22 Children in China with a Knife, Kills None so much for your theory jenks

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:04 PM) give kids guns is the only solution

i'm so goddamned sick of this. and i'm sick of the people who defend it. personal freedom is bulls*** and it's what got a bunch of KIDS killed today.