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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 03:31 PM) It isn't the corner I am fighting from. It is the corner where you pretend that only one party defends sexual predators. That isn't at all true, victim "THAT WOMAN" shaming at all. How'd we do defending Anthony Weiner? Spitzer? John Edwards? On the flip side, Newt still seems to be doing great, doesn't he?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 03:31 PM) It isn't the corner I am fighting from. It is the corner where you pretend that only one party defends sexual predators. That isn't at all true, victim "THAT WOMAN" shaming at all. One party does it with significantly higher frequency than the other. You know that. That's why you have to go back 20 years to find a liberal example.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 02:56 PM) in fact what happened was Bud. Is this the corner you really want to be fighting from? The corner defending the pedophile? Yeah?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 02:35 PM) Bill Clinton said hi. He was impeached. So by that logic you support the impeachment of Trump, yes?

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 01:02 PM) I am not on a team. I am conservative ideologically when it comes to fiscal policy and government. So if Trump wastes money with spending policy or a republican candidate is accused of rape, that's not a knock on me. If you think I align with these southern evangelical conservatives you're just being a lazy American with the partisan politics. I realize both sides are inept. Also, I posted a link on an actor being an idiot. I don't see why you think I have to answer for the republican party as a result. I don't need you to answer to anything but your own consistency.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 12:29 PM) I think the accusations against Takei are a little more serious than a move gone wrong. IMO the implication was that Takei either drugged him or over served him to the point of incapacitation and then tried to have non-consensual sex. I've been working like crazy and was going off my twitterverse. Just read the actual allegations and yeah, you're right that they're more serious than that. I'm just extremely conflicted about all of this stuff. Does a person's lifetime of good work get expunged because of one hookup gone wrong in 1981? The Moore case is iron-clad and corroborated out the wazoo. This one isn't yet. Do we automatically believe every single person who makes an accusation regardless of the merits of the case, even if it will inherently lead to condemning an innocent person (not saying it is or isn't Takei in this case) simply to right decades of wrongs? Are sacrifices for the greater good necessary? Is this more of a big deal because he's gay (same with Spacey, though that's definitely categorically worse)? And re: consent, it's such a cloudy, murky, NON-black and white thing that we as a culture are trying to portray as black and white at this moment in history. I'm just really deeply conflicted about all of it, and wish that we as a society could have the type of complex conversation that's needed without vilifying everyone who wants to have it. Takei may have done some s***ty things, and if they're confirmed, corroborated, etc, I'll be consistent in my condemnation. But I'm just struggling through all of this to find the right answer, and this witch hunt, which didn't start out as a witch hunt but has now truly become one, I think, isn't it. It'll create, and has already created, a backlash. And we know what happens with backlashes. See election 2016. Sorry for rambling. Just trying to sort it all out for myself. EDIT: Witch hunt was the wrong phrase... note to self just never say "witch hunt" haha. I do understand that it's happening because more and more survivors are feeling empowered to speak out, and that's a good thing, but I think we're kind of hitting a point of diminishing returns on effectiveness - although maybe I'm wrong.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 12:07 PM) That is actually not what he said. He said that he believes Russian bots are amplifying the story. I have no idea whether it is true or not. It seems like his belief is connected to an alleged attack on his facebook page after he was critical of Putin. Which is in no way unreasonable. Also, I don't honestly care about a guy making a move on another guy on a date 40 years ago and then stopping after the second guy said no (which is what I've gleaned is the accusation). Even if it happened, it's not a thing. And it detracts from the ACTUAL real instances of assault and harassment that have and do take place. However, if MORE comes out, and it becomes a pattern that has continued, that's a whole different story But I will make one note to our friend rabbit. You notice that famous liberals who get accused lose their careers, are publicly admonished by fellow liberals, and have charges brought against them. What happens to famous conservatives who get accused? They raise money off it, and their base rallies behind them. Yeah. So. There's that.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 11, 2017 -> 02:29 PM) The KKK kept prominence in Alabama by aligning with Democrat politicians... I know this is the Dem thread but can't distort history. Whether Democrats or Republicans in label, the views of those people have never changed. The point you're making is always literally meaningless. The parties stood for entirely different things. Abraham Lincoln would've been a Democrat by today's standards. So stahp.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 07:42 PM) Via @vaughnhillyard Excellent analysis I'm confused why you think an unimportant Alabama RNC official's opinion means nearly as much as the views of the GOP leadership in the RNC and in congress.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 03:59 PM) There were no qualifications for that statement. e: meant for Reddy Nobody wants a dick pic, ever. I can personally attest to the fact that's not entirely accurate, as I have some female acquaintances who will, on occasion, when drunk, text me to send pics

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 03:38 PM) No woman ever wants a dick pic. On its own, nope. Gross.

(and FYI I'm not talking about dick pics. women don't even find those attractive without context. )

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 03:34 PM) Just giving you my personal opinion. I know others will disagree. You're one of those holier-than-thou liberal elites who does no wrong so I get it.

I'm not saying you send a f***ing picture without having a relationship with that person. I'm not talking about out of the f***ing blue.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 03:30 PM) No. That's some level 100 creep s***. You're in a f***ing flirty conversation man. Read what I'm f***ing saying. Maybe you don't have many conversations like that. I don't know. Lol

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 03:16 PM) Right wing blogs/social media are now spreading entirely fabricated rumors that WaPo was offering women money to go on the record against Moore, and they're doxxing the accusers. Roy Moore is going to be a US Senator and the women who accused him are going to be harassed and threatened endlessly. The GOP has pulled all funding, and I'm sure they're going to try and mount a write in campaign to pull from his vote total, in an attempt to give the election to Jones. The GOP in congress would absolutely rather lose a seat than have Moore hanging over their heads, and causing problems.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 03:21 PM) I guess it's just that there's no real way to apologize for what he did. So he shouldn't do it? That seems weird.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 03:25 PM) He could have apologized privately years ago. He apologizes now when everyone is going down. There were rumors upon rumors upon rumors with this guy. If he would have done that say up to 6 months ago, he may not have had this story in the NYT. The fact that so many guys are apologizing, to me shows they have done this to many, many women and/or men or children. If it was just a one off, they most likely would be doing what Jeremy Piven is doing, denying it, making it he said/she said. You have a few more to back up similar claims, you can't do this. I didn't apologize until this movement. Does that make me a s***ty human as well? Or does it just make me human? Dunno.

QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 03:15 PM) WTF as in I don't get his or anyone's mindset at the time. "Hi, I'm a big fan." "Great, let me show you my dick and stroke it in front of you." WTF? I think that's simplifying it, but I totally hear you. I don't know - or haven't read - about the complete extent of the relationships these women had with CK. Completely independent from this situation, in which clearly CK was wrong and at fault and used his power to manipulate and abuse these women, my question is......... has anyone here ever sent *inappropriate* photos via phone pre-emptively with a woman (or man) you've been talking to and the conversation moves in a flirty/sexual direction? And by that I mean, before a woman has expressly said "hey send me a photo"? There's... an art to flirting, right? Knowing the right moments to do and say the right things, and often times those *right* moments aren't expressly said, because that takes the fun out of it - on both sides. Y'all can't honestly tell me that all of your sexual interactions have gone according to a politically correct formula. That's where this line becomes blurry, because one person may be interpreting signals one way, and one may be on a completely different planet, but you don't know unless you 1) make a move or 2) ask. If it's a woman who's actually interested, asking often turns them off. If they aren't, making the move is the WRONG choice. But you DON'T KNOW which that person IS until you try one! That's the whole f***ing difficulty with all of this, and these days, as a single guy, it's honestly paralyzing.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 03:07 PM) Ya, DA said it somewhere before but I'm just immune to apologies at this point. Maybe it's sincere, I don't f***in know the guy but f*** that. No one comes clean or apologizes until they're caught, everyone is just sorry they were caught. The end. I mean, why would you apologize publicly before you're caught? When all this started I reached out an apologized to an ex for a past transgression that'd been eating away at me for a long time, similar to what CK describes, but I hadn't had the guts or the push to make amends (the relationship didn't end well). The #MeToo movement caused me to do so. But I did it privately. If I were a public figure, should I have been expected to make that apology publicly? Not taking a side on this, just honestly asking for perspectives.

QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 01:40 PM) Not sure how to react to it. Kudos for coming clean and admitting your problem, but WTF? What's the "WTF?" about? Just curious. Obviously what he did is problematic is a huge way, but I think this is the best example of how to handle it that we've seen to date. Not saying it absolves him.

McCain beats Portman:

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 9, 2017 -> 03:01 PM) Alabama has a sore-loser law so Strange can't even run as a write-in. He can. Just looked it up. http://sos.alabama.gov/newsroom/casting-wr...e-press-release

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 9, 2017 -> 02:36 PM) Portman's put out the strongest of the GOP statements thus far: The rest of them have all said "if true" without clearly stating, like Portman does here, that they believe the allegations are true or are likely to be true. WaPo's got 3 people on the record and 30+ sources. One thing to keep in mind is that Moore is a crazy fundamentalist asshole that nobody in the Senate, D or R, wants to actually deal with. Especially McConnell. They can't remove him from the ballot, but maybe they launch a Luther Strange write-in campaign? It's still a huge longshot, but a D taking Sessions' seat would be Peak 2017. True, but if anyone knows how to run a write-in campaign, it's Murk. Getting that many people to spell Murkowski correctly? Impressive. Even in Alabama they should be able to write "Strange". Either way, though, this is obviously a pretty big boost for Jones.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 9, 2017 -> 02:07 PM) Alabama law doesn't allow Moore to step down at this point, not that he would. Murkowski is allegedly talking to Strange about running a write-in campaign. McConnell was just speaking to Strange as well in the Senate chamber.