Reddy

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 2, 2017 -> 02:07 PM) Again, you are sticking far too much too the generalization and stereotypes. Are all Republicans in the same tax bracket? Are all of their economic situations identical? I know you like to stick to one philosophy and one point of view but everyone's situations are different and voting Republican doesn't mean that it effects everyone in the exact same way. Um. My post you quoted was me saying the very opposite of that.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 11:35 PM) Really, you read Ayn Rand and now you understand why a specfic group of individuals think the way they do. I really hate to break this to you but not all Republicans are rich tyrants who idolize Warren Buffet and the all mighy dollar. That's true, but the ones who aren't continuously vote against their economic interest, which is pretty fascinating. See: Trump.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 10:35 PM) What is your point caulfield? Shack's point wasn't partisan. He was saying the chicken soup for the soul political takes don't really move the needle without any action or reasonable solutions attached. I wish there was no poverty but simply saying so doesn't do anything. Everybody wants the world rid of bad things and if I'm reading shack's point correctly, it doesn't really do anything to just say you wish nice things for the world. Nevertheless, people form their entire political compass off projecting their own moral superiority with the basis of stating the obvious about world affairs. I'm speaking in general not at anyone specific. Obviously if everyone acted as great people the world wouldn't have these problems but that's not the case. I can only donate my own time and money. It is funny that your father was a republican though. My father And I are very much at odds in our beliefs. Although he rarely speaks about politics. Perhaps you can provide us with some of your made up probabilities with respect to ancestral political beliefs. and you can change the way you talk about these issues with your friends and family. that's probably more valuable than your money.

I was beheaded just last week, actually! I've scheduled a second beheading for next tuesday, and a third for halfway through July. My schedule's pretty tight over the next month and a half.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 12:55 PM) You support those that don't have the same opportunities that you do - or are treated unfairly because they didn't win the "life lottery." You learn everything that you can about other ethnicities, cultures, and classes in America -read articles, talk to people, get to know them and where they come from. Don't pass it off as someone else's problem and don't jump to conclusions and pass judgement on others that don't live the same life as you do. Everything that we are is a product of our environment and opportunities. Go out of your way to use your connections and abilities to help raise someone else up that wouldn't normally have the same opportunity that you do. Put yourself in someone else's shoes and act upon that experience in a positive way. omgosh yes where have you been in this fight?

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 09:52 AM) No... we really aren't. Like at all. Greg, the world in this current era is still more peaceful and safer, statistically, than its ever been. Chill.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 07:51 AM) Let's look at the view from space. Add up all the care that all the patients have received from all the medical facilities in the US. That's the total cost (plus profit). Now the challenge is to equitably and ethically pay for all that care. Fairest? Each person pays directly for what they used. I mean 100% paid for. Not through insurance because that spreads the cost around people that did not receive the service. Need surgery, fork over the $25,000. Break an arm $3,000 will take care of that. Of course that will not work because most people can not afford a major medical bill under that system, many can't afford the broken arm. So that is immediately rejected as unworkable and unsustainable. So now we have to deal with an unfair system where the costs are shared among a large group of people. Call it insurance, call it whatever you like. But we are all going to pitch in and everyone covers those costs. What is the best way to share a large cost across a large number of people? Up until the 21st century we formed smaller groups of people who happened by chance to be grouped together, typically based on the company they worked for. Those people banned together and joined a larger group pulled together by a company that specialized in that service, called an insurance company. They carefully eliminated undesirable people from the group, they carefully eliminated expenses that hurt profits. The problem becomes even though they eliminated those undesirable (unprofitable) people from their group, those people were making things more expensive for everyone. The groups received all the pain and only small gain by eliminating those people who are all part of the same system whether they are in our group or not. Not only will we have to recoup the expense but we need to reduce the cost. Each reduction in cost hurts someone. Less care? Hurts patients. Less profits? Hurts providers. Are there ways to cut costs? Of course. Now we are moving towards a system that does just group everyone together. We are beginning to deal with the totality of the cost of medical care in the US. Who needs it and who pays for it. That is truly the point we are reaching. It will be fundamental shift that will impact society in ways both obvious and perhaps less so. I see an advantage for small companies that will not have to compete on the basis of benefits. Where workers are free to switch employment without the worry of health care changes and preexisting conditions. Small and medium businesses are less likely to move across the country or across the globe. Here's the fundamental impasse. I completely disagree that your assessment of the most fair scenario is, in fact, fair at all. That doesn't take into account people being born into poor socio-economic situations through no fault of their own. Is it then fair if they can't afford to pay for medical treatments that someone like me was able to afford, simply out of sheer luck?

And for the record, YOU are the one who made this personal. I was speaking about the issue, YOU used it to paint me as a "racist".

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 31, 2017 -> 05:33 PM) You are bitter about the way I view your points of view, so you want to find something on me to "trap" me on. You just admitted as much right here. You wonder why people don't respect your opinion, well here you go. You are more worried about sticking it to someone than the topic at hand. It isn't the first time you have tried the time held questioning of credentials to disqualify technique. If proving your hypocrisy is trapping you, I plead guilty. You're so transparent. Answer the question.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 31, 2017 -> 05:07 PM) Translation: I need to use talking points, please provide me with something I can use to trigger those talking points. No. Translation: you're being massively hypocritical and you know it, so you're avoiding answering the question.

Still excited to hear SS2K defend why what I do marginalizes blacks, but his work doesn't. Do the kids you work with need you? Do they depend on your organization? Does your work improve their lives? Inquiring minds want to know.

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ May 31, 2017 -> 02:11 AM) Just imagine the uproar if a conservative would have done this with Obama's head. I saw a tweet that is true for this as well. If Kathy Griffiin wants to shock people she should try to actually be funny. You mean like the pictures of hanging and burning Obama in effigy? It happened. There's plenty of outrage about this. Confirmation bias is fun.

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 31, 2017 -> 01:28 AM) Quote anyone in this thread other than Reddy who has put down the "poor/immigrants/Muslims and anyone seeking the American Dream." No tangents, no italics, no yahoo blog links or lists of countries or 90's Sox players. Back your claim up. No puking of random sentences. Back your claim up of people dissenting those groups or admit you're full of it and a bully. I'm sick of this bulls***. People like you are why Trump got elected in the first place. The complete rejection of this SJW culture, the snarl words, the verbal shutdowns, everyone's racist, everyone's sexist, everyone's gender insentive, etc. If you cannot substantiate your claim, it will be clear as day that you are a weak minded individual who stoops to low places in a baseless attempt to try and malign the character of others when you can't articulate your house of cards argument effectively on its own merit. It's despicable. People like you are also why Trump got elected, FYI.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 30, 2017 -> 06:06 PM) You might not have intended to say them, but you have at various points. Second time you've dodged my question.

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 30, 2017 -> 05:14 PM) Good thing they have you to tell everyone why they vote a certain way. It seems like you're already having a world of success in getting your message across here. Instead of generalizing black people as inevitable drug dealers, you're generalizing the country's standalone reigning party one three issues. Amazing that a party can take control of the house, the senate and two-thirds of states governorships just because of their views on gay marriage, religion and the second amendment. There has been mountains and mountains of research done supporting this concept. Put away your ridiculous bias and partisanship and read a f***ing book. EDIT: So much for humility and improvement

QUOTE (Middle Buffalo @ May 30, 2017 -> 04:42 PM) I would like to see the data that confirms this because I'm certain many Republicans have received and do receive help from the government. There are plenty of poor Republicans. Yeah he's off base on this one... Republican lawmakers, yes. Republicans in general? Nah. But the Republicans who fall into that category are just voting against their self-interest in the name of god, guns and gays in the vast majority of instances.

Let me TL;DR this... SS2K believes that I'm a white supremacist and that I marginalize marginalized communities because I believe that white privilege is real. Does that about sum it up?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 30, 2017 -> 03:25 PM) Supporting them by telling they have to get help, because they can't do it on their own. Without you they just end up as drug dealers. To me that is marginalizing them. But reading all of the absurdities and Self-aggrandizement going on here, that would be the obvious conclusion if you accepted certain people's inferiority as fact, I can see how you would view it that way. They have to have your help. I have said literally none of those things. You're so ridiculous with this. I am not the movement and the movement is not me. I don't know why or how you magically made this about ME specifically. You didn't answer my question of you, conveniently. Why do you do what you do? Would the kids you work with be just fine without you and the organization you work with?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 30, 2017 -> 02:15 PM) By marginalizing them as not being able to succeed without your help. How kind. Recognizing facts and supporting my black friends and allies (and other marginalized communities) in their fight for these causes is not marginalizing anyone, no matter how hard you try and spin it. Do you seriously not recognize your monumental hypocrisy? Do you think your work (help) is instrumental to helping them succeed? Do they need you? No? Then why do you do it?

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 30, 2017 -> 12:45 PM) Caulfield how you don't understand how ridiculous and irrelevant and tangential your form of discourse is beyond me. For someone who claims to be such an academic performer I don't get how you don't understand that you start an argument (whether it's on topic to the post you quoted or not), the next sentence will have nothing to do with your initial argument and then you continue to do this multiple times over the same post and create visual diareaah with the links, bolds, italics, inability to use the quote function, etc. I mean, in this case, you never even acknowledge my post or the point of the thread that you started. You just barfed some of your irrelevant beliefs, posted some links that have nothing to do with anything, and of course brought Trump into something that has nothing to do with him. I swear I have a better chance of having a coherent exchange with a freshly stirred bowl of alphabet soup than I do with you. This kid gets all up in arms about my "arrogance" and has the audacity to type things like this. It's just comedic gold.

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 30, 2017 -> 12:07 PM) Why is it when someone disagrees with a specific belief they have to answer for a whole political party who they may or may not agree with or identify with? At the least, why is it someone who disagrees with something has to respond to all of your irrelevant tangents? It's a deflection. It's pretty simple here. I, and many others who have come out of the woodwork to speak out against your's and Reddy's opinions, believe in equality of opportunity. You and Reddy believe there is not equality until the outcome is entirely equal. That will never happen. You and Reddy are not fighting a losing battle, you are fighting for something that has no basis in reality. It's not going to happen. You are looking to get others on your side, but in action, you are just pretentiously arguing an altruistic, utopian dream is attainable (it's not) and the first step in achieving it is putting down others based on their race, gender and orientation is essential to achieving this. This contributes to divisiveness and makes white people who have relevant life experience, we know you two have had most provided for you, very much questionable to their unjust systemic discrimination based on race as opposed to wealth. Unfortunately, institutions have followed suit in contributing to the race and sex based discrimination but at the end of the day, it's a blatant departure from equality. No holier than though standing and personal opinions of yours is going to change that. You fundamentally misunderstand my argument. I, too, am fighting for equal opportunity. That does not currently exist in America for the vast majority of marginalized communities.

QUOTE (ptatc @ May 30, 2017 -> 10:18 AM) Of course its complicated. It should be. Immigration should not be based on, "I want to be here." It should be similar to many other countries. They need to show that their skills are needed here and they can be a productive member of society. I don't disagree with this. Unless, they have refugee status or there are other extenuating circumstances.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 29, 2017 -> 11:09 PM) Turn them into "bots" for a proposed left-wing media equivalent of Fox NEWS, lol? Deploy them to finally get a significant DEM victory for Ossoff in the GA-6 race? Btw, Reddy...you will enjoy this article (not roaming white privilege gangs related)... http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/29/b...t-losses-238889 Read it last night. I DID enjoy it, though it's not a completely fair assessment given how red the races involved have been. BUT part of the Sanders message is that they could win in red states, and.... they haven't. I do see the movement eventually fizzling out if they can't secure significant victories. (not sure it's relevant to this thread though )

QUOTE (iamshack @ May 29, 2017 -> 10:40 PM) And then once you have them on "your side," what will you do? I can't imagine I'll ever have to worry about having everyone on "my side"

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 30, 2017 -> 01:37 AM) "The totalitarian, to me, is the enemy - the one that's absolute, the one that wants control over the inside of your head, not just your actions and your taxes." Agreed. Fortunately, there's nothing totalitarian about realizing your attempts at outreach require different tactics. Lol. But sure, go ahead and attack me for caring enough about the issues to try and craft a more effective message. #graspthemstraws