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QUOTE (greg775 @ May 29, 2017 -> 11:16 PM) Thank u rabbit. You are fair to Greg! I like it. Greg is Donald Trump. I'm certain of it.

Hate to disappoint caulfield, but listening to all this is interesting. White privilege doesn't disappear just because you don't personally believe it helped you - that's not really how any of this works - HOWEVER, part of what I'm working on right now is the interplay between what's true and what's an effective tactic. The two rarely intertwine, and I think this is one of those cases. Bringing over white folks who don't believe they have privilege to "my side" requires much more sophisticated tactics than the ones I've been using. It's difficult for people who've experienced personal struggles to recognize they still have certain privileges because of their skin color that others don't. But honestly, that's pretty understandable. So yeah. I'm working on processing it all. We'll see what I end up with.

Hate to disappoint caulfield, but listening to all this is interesting. White privilege doesn't disappear just because you don't personally believe it helped you - that's not really how any of this works - HOWEVER, part of what I'm working on right now is the interplay between what's true and what's an effective tactic. The two rarely intertwine, and I think this is one of those cases. Bringing over white folks who don't believe they have privilege to "my side" requires a much more sophisticated tactics than the ones I've been using, because it's difficult for people who've experienced personal struggles to recognize they still have certain privileges because of their skin that others don't, and that's pretty understandable. So yeah. I'm working on processing it all. We'll see what I end up with.

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 29, 2017 -> 04:25 PM) I know we can't be fair to greg but he said he wasn't sure if it was Mizzou or not. I can't keep track of all the bulls*** the kids at Mizzou do either. The school that did it was Dartmouth. Also happened at Michigan. http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov...-white-student/ Just keep in mind, linking to the Washington Times is like linking to The Blaze.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 29, 2017 -> 02:24 PM) Haven't you seen them on youtube? They march up to people and demand they state their privilege. I don't know if it was MU but they parade around demanding you invoke your privilege. They did it in a library and some of the people earlier had marched with the privilege gangs to show support and they still got chastised in the library. Everything you see on youtube is real.

Greg what on earth are white privilege gangs?

See title. It wasn't contentious, there was good discussion happening. No personal attacks. Do mods serious get to decide what gets discussed now, even if it's not violating any rules of the board? That's pretty messed up.

White privilege gangs is one of the funniest things I've ever read. I also lived below the poverty line for the first six years I was out of college. I still had white privilege in the way I was perceived in day to day life. No matter how poor you are, you're less likely to be pulled over by police, you're less likely to be arrested for minor crimes, and you're less likely to be convicted and sentenced to harsh penalties because of your skin color. That. Is. White. Privilege.

Also, I think I'm only one more comment away from DMing you a shirtless pic. You know what to do!

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 27, 2017 -> 09:56 AM) Again, you speak in absolutes & generalities, and couldn't be further wrong. There are plenty of universities & companies that discriminate against white all in the name of diversity. If you are a person of color with talent and/or strong credentials, I'd argue that in today's corporate environment you actually have an advantage over a similar skilled white person. The value of diversity is screamed out at every business school across the country and most companies are actively pursuing it now. If you ever had a real job (aren't you model when you're not leading the Resistance) you would know this. The average African American no doubt has more challenges than the average white person due to economic factors that restrict opportunities & education. I don't need statistics to tell me that more blacks suffer from poverty than whites and I know well that poverty is a viscous cycle that holds back opportunity for years to come. But there are plenty of whites who also face these challenges and do not start off "a mile ahead". These people deserve the same compassion as the African Americans you fight so hard to support. Again, using blanket generalizations is working against you and makes you come off a know nothing know it all asshole. Let me summarize: If Chicago White Sox says "the average black person has more challenges than the average white person" we're cool, but I should avoid generalizations. Cool.

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ May 27, 2017 -> 04:46 AM) Is there somewhere to sign up for the benefits of this white privilege?? I don't think I've ever received mine. Maybe I missed the sign up somewhere. This is the kicker right? Starting out a mile ahead in a marathon doesn't inherently mean you know how to run it. And it doesn't mean you're guaranteed to beat the people behind you. All it means is you got a head start, and if all other variables are equal, white people have a head start over a person of color at the same socio-economic level because of societal attitudes and implicit biases.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 26, 2017 -> 10:40 PM) The thing that struck me is the similarity in tone to Trump in Saudia Arabia...that it was too accommodationist. Not apologizing for your beliefs, but trying to hard to create an all-encompassing "big tent." The #1 question is which issues do you draw a line in the sand over that there is no compromising on? If there aren't any, what do we stand for? the interesting thing is that the me you guys know here at Soxtalk is actually pretty different from the me that exists in the real world/on social media/in my career. I tend to be a lot more flippant, off the cuff, and un-thought-out here than I am regularly. The essay wasn't really meant to be a discussion of issues though, more just about the tone in which we do the discussing.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 26, 2017 -> 07:56 PM) http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/26/us/racist-ra...deos/index.html What to make of these viral racist rants recently? "It means that America is back where it was ... decades ago. That kind of thing went out of fashion with the Civil Rights movement; the Trump campaign brought it back into fashion," said the Rev. Joseph A. Darby, vice president of the Charleston, South Carolina, NAACP branch. President Donald Trump "tapped into seething anger" that was already boiling in those who couldn't accept an African-American President, Darby said. Trump "legitimized bigotry by the way he campaigned." "People who found their hope in him feel emboldened to say and do things that they wouldn't do before ... It leads to all kinds of foolishness that people have kept under wraps before because now they feel empowered because they think they have a President." Darby said he believes some of the rants also stem from "fear on the part of some misguided, for the lack of a better word, ignorant people who believe they are losing their country, with their country being a white country." He said: "They feel that they're going to lose the privilege of being white, and when you have fear, you do ugly things sometimes." I wrote an essay about the bolded today on the FB. I know a lot of this flies in the face of the argument I was making in the Republican thread the other day, but the discussion I'm writing about was pretty revelatory:

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 26, 2017 -> 04:25 PM) No responses? http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017...s-in-plutocracy Greg did in his own way, yet he usually rips Trump as an oblivious (to the needs of regular Joes) 1%er in recent weeks. The time and energy and honesty it takes to do that type of self-reflection isn't easy, and most people aren't willing to do it. I'll give greg credit on that front. I may not agree with a damn thing he says or thinks, but at least he takes the time to consider why he feels a certain way.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ May 26, 2017 -> 02:01 PM) Of course your privileged whiteness would say that, you've never needed a safe space before. ignoring the obvious troll, are we talking intellectual safe spaces or physical safe spaces where marginalized communities are accepted/protected/etc? Two different things.

Safe spaces in college are stupid. The point of college is to challenge your beliefs.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 26, 2017 -> 11:01 AM) And just when I thought you couldn't be any more awesome! I guess being white has its perks. Wanna see 'em? What's your Snapchat?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 26, 2017 -> 11:40 AM) For Boerboom, it’s a matter of assigning three emotions – cynical, sentimental and stoic — their proper focus. We should be cynical about our institutions, including political parties, and sentimental toward others, “finding ways to be open to people, even those who really piss you off.” We should look at ourselves stoically, “finding self-control and self-mastery. Don’t roll over, but don’t feel so entitled.” Billings Gazette today. You're going to get a lecture from someone for deliberately twisting statistics again. Whites make up nearly 2/3rd's of the population, but only 9% of those in poverty...thus, seriously underrepresented. African Americans, 1/8th of the population, but nearly 25% living in poverty, doubly over-represented. Hispanics do slightly better, 21% poverty rate for a bigger percentage of population mix. Others, including Native Americans and Asians, 14%. Kentucky (Appalachia), MS, WV, TN, AL, AR, IN, LA, Maine, Florida, Idaho and KS are only states where 10% or higher of whites are in poverty (I think all Trump states). However, the rate of African Americans in those states living in poverty is more than double whites for KY, AL, Arkansas 12/30 (2.5 times more likely to be poor if you're black), Indiana, Louisiana 12/31 (worse than AR somehow), Florida and Kansas you're more than twice as likely to be poor!!!!! Maine, Idaho don't register as having enough African Americans, lol. NM 10/39....4 times likelier to be poor if you're black OH. 10/34 GA. 9/31 Iowa, my home state, 9% of whites are poor, blacks aren't staristically significant, Hispanics 18% MI. 9/26 PA 9/25 SC. 9/27 NV. 8/30 RI and TX. 8/23 Kentucky, PA, MA, AZ, NC, OK, WI, ID, RI, MN, NY, CT, NJ, OR...Hispanics are more likely to be poor than blacks. Look at Nebraska, 7% of whites, 46% African Americans, 22% of Hispanics are poor. That's more than double comparing black and Hispanic. No US state has more whites than either black or Hispanics that are considered to be below the poverty rates as defined by the US government. None, zero, zilch, nada. Kentucky's 17% of whites in poverty....comprising 88% of the population, vs. 8.3% Black and 3.4% Hispanic...well, you got me. Guess their huge failure rates dealing with poverty for all citizens can be blamed on the policies of Democrats like Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell and the current governor.Or the huge opiod crisis in the eastern and northern part of the state. Source=http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-raceethnicity/ I can't believe how much you manipulated those statistics to help prove your point. What a joke. SAD!

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 26, 2017 -> 08:51 AM) Caulfield, what do you look like? Are you athletic? How's your singing voice? Those are the true indicators of white privilege per Mr. Awesome himself. You should see my abs.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 25, 2017 -> 11:39 PM) 10,300+ spread now Whatever happens, it's going to be a nightmare for the GOP Congress to deal with, one way or the other. There's no positive spin on it, although I'm sure FOX NEWS will come up with something (like, for all the hype about the DEM resistance, there have been little changes other than a few state houses). On to Ossoff/Handel...DEMS almost HAVE to win that one or it will lead to demoralization, GA-6. Honestly, I'd be surprised if we ever hear Gianforte's name again a couple weeks from now. I think the assault becomes a non-issue long term, sadly.

Thanks for this post, caulfield. I appreciate the amount of thought and energy that goes into this type of self reflection, and your willingness to do it is commendable. greg, of course you don't want to think about your privilege. Of course it rubs you the wrong way. That's... literally the point. It's hard to be honest with yourself and admit that even if you didn't achieve everything you ever dreamed, that even to get where you are, you had a head start from a lot of other folks in this country, for reasons outside of your or their control. It's not easy. But it's the things that aren't easy that end up being the most valuable endeavors.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 25, 2017 -> 05:00 PM) It's funny you cry about TMZ like things, yet post TMZ like things that apparently must mean something. You're a hypocrite. Everything you complain about, you yourself are guilty of. If this was a Hillary, Obama bashing thread, you would have no problem. You wouldn't complain. For a guy you claim you don't like, you sure do go to bat for Trump a lot. This and badger's post both deserve a nice slow clap.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 25, 2017 -> 04:11 PM) ~economic anxiety~ I guess they really are deplorables

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 25, 2017 -> 03:56 PM) Yeah, I read it as Arkham prison from Batman, lol. According to the news reports, the standard for felony was not met because the injuries were not deemed severe enough, whatever that means. So if he had a broken arm, a felony? What about a fractured or slightly displaced elbow? His glasses were broken/shattered, that much is clear. If this happened in an inner city high school (let's say the bathroom) and the kid was 18 or older, have a feeling it would result in felony charges. If there was video and not just audio, the sheriff might have had no choice but the more serious charge. ORRRRR if he were.... wait for it......... Where's SS2K for this one?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 25, 2017 -> 03:41 PM) https://soapboxie.com/us-politics/Violence-...he-Senate-Floor After Brooks violent attack on Sumner, from which Brooks escaped unscathed and somewhat of a hero in the South, he continued to be a "bully". This perhaps was spurred on by southern newspapers that applauded these acts of violence against northern public office holders. After the Brooks-Sumner altercation, the Richmond Enquirer described the incident as follows: "We consider the act good in conception, better in execution, and best of all in consequences." Congressman Anson Burlingame from Massachusetts, called Brooks a coward on the floor of the House of Representatives. Brooks response was to challenge Burlingame to a duel which he enthusiastically accepted and named rifles as the weapon of choice. Brooks failed to show up for the duel after learning that Burlingame was an expert marksman. This caused Brooks to be called a coward for the rest of his life. Modern Times: Not an argument between Congressmen but very interesting was the heated discussion which took place between Zell Miller, former Democratic Senator from Georgia, and reporter Chris Matthews in a televised interview just after Senator Miller delivered a keynote speech at the 2004 Republican National Convention. Yes, Senator Miller is a Democrat, however, he endorsed Republican George W. Bush in the presidential election and, much to the chagrin of the Democratic party, he was spotlighted at the Republican convention. Initially this was thought to be a major coup by the Republicans, but it may have backfired during the Matthews interview. Senator Miller became so enraged at the reporter, that he said he wished he could challenge Matthews to a duel. Unfortunately, many thought that the interview remarks detracted from the spirit of the keynote speech and the convention itself. Others, fed up with biased news coverage, cheered Miller's remarks and praised his feistiness. If this conversation would have taken place in the 1800s, it could have had a very different ending! Haha yeah he threatened him to a duel - I remember it, and it's pretty hilarious in retrospect - but I don't think we've ever seen something like we saw last night in modern America. And that's kind of scary in the greater context of Trump's America.