Reddy

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 22, 2017 -> 01:03 PM) I don't think anyone posted about Sweden dropping the frivolous "rape" charges against Assange. This just in. Privileged straight white male calls rape charges "frivolous". In other news, the sky is still blue.

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 22, 2017 -> 01:08 PM) Could you quote where I said they should lose their rights? I've always been very supportive of the first amendment. Just wish people would do it for reasons other than social brownie points. They're not bettering the world by not listening to Mike Pence's speech. First of all, standing up for and protecting marginalized members of society is hardly about social brownie points. That's an insane thing to say. But as to your last sentence, do you feel that all protest is a "waste of time" that doesn't "better the world"? Do you think there's ever an appropriate moment for protest? For one, if you ask a gay kid in that audience if that walkout made HIS world a little bit better that day, he'd tell you yes. This is all about perspective. Where's your tolerance for that kid's perspective?

How many times am I going to have to repeat this? The term "tolerance" does not include tolerating someone's intolerance. You can't call me intolerant for being critical of a member of the KKK. That's not how that works.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 21, 2017 -> 09:53 PM) I suppose Greg would argue those parents/students who were Republican/not interested in protesting were somehow harmed, but it would be difficult to prove in a court of law. Why on earth would you give greg MORE arguments to make?

The fact that he calls it a lifestyle is still insulting and some pretty s***ty "support"

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 21, 2017 -> 09:03 PM) Cool. I love their policy. I just read it. Very beautiful policy. I think it's a wonderful policy and statement I just read. There's nothing in there about the Catholic stance on homosexuality. Had they gone there it would not be a pleasant discussion cause the Catholic rulebook on the matter is pretty stringent. so let me recap: ND is incredibly accepting, welcoming and tolerant of gays Students who are also accepting, welcoming and tolerant of gays protest a speech by Mike Pence, who hates gays. Remind me why you're confused, greg?

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 21, 2017 -> 08:55 PM) Notre Dame may not support that, but read the last paragraph of the link I sent. "Homosexuals who want to live chastely can contact Courage, a national, Church-approved support group for help in deliverance from the homosexual lifestyle." So it is official policy to want to help "deliver people" from the lifestyle. You might not want to call it conversion therapy but it's something in terms of trying to get you to quit the lifestyle. I cannot even begin to unpack all of the ignorance in this statement. There is so much wrong here, coming from a guy who a few posts ago professed "I support everybody". Unbelievable.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 21, 2017 -> 08:52 PM) OK. But you see no merit to my point at all? None. Any kid at ND who supports those views stayed put in their seat.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 21, 2017 -> 08:49 PM) No. especially since I didn't even know what it was til a minute ago. I didn't know that's all the students were miffed about regarding Pence. That it was that cut and dried. My bad if they were protesting his stance on gay conversion therapy. I guess I'm wrong on my Notre Dame stance. I just thought it weird you'd go to ND if you fully supported gay rights. I've literally already stated repeatedly that most kids don't choose their college over its religious ideology. Moreover, a historical relationship with a religion doesn't mean a school follows the tenants of that religion verbatim, and in their original context. Do you seriously think that every historically catholic or jesuit institution infuses religion into their required coursework and campus life? I can promise you that's not the case.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 21, 2017 -> 08:47 PM) Cool. I don't even really know what gay conversion therapy is. Do you deny however that it is still a sin in the catholic rulebook? Do Catholics not run Notre Dame? https://www.catholic.com/tract/homosexuality Holy s***.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 21, 2017 -> 08:46 PM) My point is they are going to a school where they should hate all the leaders. Cause they share Pence's opinion on the matter. Can you support that the administration of Notre Dame University supports gay conversion therapy? With evidence? Thanks.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 21, 2017 -> 08:46 PM) OK I see your point. It still seems strange they'd go to a school run by Catholic priests and monsignors. You are saying they don't think about that at all. Well then why the hell are they thinking about the guest speaker? No I understand why they hate Pence. My point is they are going to a school where they should hate all the leaders. Cause they share Pence's opinion on the matter. I WENT TO A CATHOLIC SCHOOL! I'M AN ATHEIST. THIS IS NORMAL.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 21, 2017 -> 08:44 PM) Damn. I'm pretty sure Catholics support gay conversion therapy as well and Notre Dame is a catholic institution. Jesus. Loyola is a Jesuit institution, which is a branch of Catholicism, and it absolutely did not support gay conversion therapy. No school that isn't f***ing Messiah University in Missouri would say they did. Good lord man this is ridiculous.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 21, 2017 -> 08:43 PM) Greg, threads like this is why I always call you out for having your head in the sand. You literally have zero idea why people don't like Pence and are asking everyone if the kids have a right to not like him. This s*** is maddening This.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 21, 2017 -> 08:40 PM) So my point was how the hell can they go to a school that preaches this? They are hypocrites to only complain one day of the year it seems to me. https://www.catholic.com/tract/homosexuality They'd only be hypocrites if they chose the school on religious grounds, which the vast majority - I'm sure - did not do, especially those who walked out. This is so easy greg. I know you can understand this.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 21, 2017 -> 08:40 PM) Seriously? He wanted torture of human beings? WTF. If true can't imagine him being in the White House as 2nd in command. I know. But some schools like to invite speakers. Will Farrell was great at USC. Trump went to Liberty U. I don't think Catholics can be gay going by the rulebook. I know our church welcomes all people. But I think the official stance in Rome is it is a sin. If I'm mistaken my bad. So my point was how the hell can they go to a school that preaches this? They are hypocrites to only complain one day of the year it seems to me. https://www.catholic.com/tract/homosexuality Yes. Pence supports gay conversion therapy, which is torture.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 21, 2017 -> 08:34 PM) Catholics can't be gay? See: Mike Pence

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 21, 2017 -> 08:25 PM) Cool Reddy, thanx. I was just wondering if they are the type to protest their beliefs at a graduation ceremony, I'd 'think' they wouldn't want anything to do with Notre Dame to begin with. Cause ND is Catholic and the rules state homosexuality is a sin I believe. That's as bad or worse than what Pence is preaching. What you say makes sense but it seems like it's weird to walk out of the ceremony when each and every day they might consider walking off campus cause of what the campus leaders believe. Uh... have you been paying attention to the Pope at all over the last couple years? And no, Notre Dame as a university does not espouse views like that.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 21, 2017 -> 08:22 PM) This is not a negative statement. I'd like someone to educate me here. The Notre Dame students who walked out went to a university with 85 percent Catholic students. Their main beef with Pence from what I read at least was his gay and lesbian stance. In fact this was written in an article: "The vice president has received harsh criticism from LGBTQ activists, who view him as an opponent of their agenda. Pence is seen by some as a proponent of so-called gay conversion therapy, a highly controversial process of attempting to alter a person's sexual preference, sometimes through physical abuse, that has been banned in multiple states." My question is ... why are they accepting a degree from Notre Dame? I love my Catholic religion but though the religion believes in respecting all people, I do believe homosexuality is still against the rules so to speak in Catholicism. My point is ... isn't Notre Dame the institution and what it represents actually as bad or worse than Pence?? Why would they go to a ceremony with any of the Notre Dame higher ups to begin with?? Again, educate me please if I'm wrong. But my point is their school should in their eyes be as bad or worse than Pence. What in the hell are they doing going to Notre Dame in the first place if they are against what Notre Dame preaches?? greg... I went to a Jesuit University. I'm as atheist as they come. Almost no one chooses their school based on religion these days.

QUOTE (bmags @ May 3, 2017 -> 01:16 PM) This third paragraph is so hilariously dem thinking. "Oh, if we just get a white southern working class male, we will win the white male working class vote!" ... "What? We put John Edwards on the ticket? How could we lose?" Obligatory "Edwards would've won if he were the actual candidate but thank god he didn't because holy s*** what a douche" post.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 2, 2017 -> 06:52 PM) The most compelling thing about Schultz is that he wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth. The Dems need to pick more entrepreneurial candidates that understand how to grow an economy. Agreed.

Ah. I see.

No.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 2, 2017 -> 04:30 PM) Not sure I want to give another business person with no political experience a chance. To lump all business people together because one just so happens to have a clinical personality disorder seems a tad foolish. Schultz has shown he's a powerhouse when it comes to solving problems and making a fortune, while simultaneously looking out for human rights. Consistently ahead of the curve and an activist for progressive causes: offering his workers free college tuition, free health insurance, hiring vets and refugees, protecting LGBT rights, etc etc. I can think of so many worse people for the job, but I'm sure many will want to go a different direction after Trump. We'll see.

The second half is much more interesting than the first, since it's literally NEVER the people we're talking about now who actually end up getting nominated after a loss like this. I'm intrigued by Howard Schultz, to be honest. I love that guy.