Reddy

Y'all. Sale is like this early on every season then blows up in August/September.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Apr 24, 2017 -> 06:08 PM) Nah, those videos are still damning with or without BLM. And it's not a coincidence that those videos came out after the BLM movement. It lines up with the availability of affordable technology that gives everyone a video camera in their pocket. Yes. The narrative had nothing to do with it. Ok.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Apr 24, 2017 -> 06:09 PM) Kinda like a bunch of white people trying to tell black people what is/isn't racist. But people still do it. I'm not sure how this is a counterpoint to my argument...

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2017 -> 06:05 PM) BLM is a product of the media coverage, and not the other way around. The media coverage came first. BLM is a product of grassroots organizers, who saw an opportunity and a need that yes - was initially reported on by the media.

And just to touch on this for the last time: My point was not to shut anyone here down about their views on misogyny/Bernie/women's issues - I was just saying that it seems fruitless to have a conversation about all of those issues without including ANY female perspectives and voices. The difference between what I said, and what SS is trying to correlate, is that that conversation was happening between a group of many women and a few men, where at least the sides are represented. For a bunch of white guys to debate whether or not something is or isn't misogynist seems....... fundamentally flawed.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 24, 2017 -> 06:02 PM) And the whole character attacks back and forth between Clinton and Sanders was yet another reason the Dems lost the election. At a certain point, the truth about a candidate becomes less important than the perception. Clinton pissed off a lot of moderates and centrists by fighting so hard to be cool and win back Bernie's youth vote. Then the damage from the 2008 South Carolina primary alone couldn't be reversed, as the African American votes her husband took for granted resisted jumping on her bandwagon. Didn't matter how many celebs she had in the fold. Even today, the Dems are still perceived as being more out of touch with those middle class voters in Ohio, PA, MI and Wisconsin. After everything Trump has done and threatens to do, there's a sense that he's fighting for them, even though the idea that Hillary was a fighter for the middle class was one of the dominant themes of her campaign. Honestly, Sanders was much easier on Clinton than he could have been. He backed off when it became obvious the Dem establishment was never going to support him. In fact, an argument can be made that had he been tougher, she would have been better prepared for dealing with Trump's tactics in the general election. For every Reddy, there was a Greg out there impressed with his authentic and sincere devotion to his economic message of fighting for the average person. Hillary never figured that out her entire political career, how to connect to people and get them to run through walls for her to get her elected. It was like a slog or duty to get behind her, almost like an obligation. I agree on your assessment of Clinton. She would've made a hell of a better President than she made Presidential candidate.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Apr 24, 2017 -> 05:48 PM) social justice warrior I could be called worse things.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2017 -> 05:45 PM) Media coverage is absolutely #1. Video going viral does a million times more than any single organization. Yes, and let's invalidate that it's the context of the BLM movement that makes those videos so particularly poignant. We're talking about BLM right now, so obviously they've done a great job at becoming a household name. And every time another video like that comes out it re-validates and re-energizes the movement. It's a symbiotic relationship. Those videos spread like wildfire because of the heightened awareness and societal context, and in return they strengthen the movement, which gives each new video more power. It's a cycle. Or do you think it's a coincidence that all these videos have come out SINCE the BLM movement began? The movement makes the videos that much more sensationalist for news media outlets, so they love it - and that's why we've seen more of them.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Apr 24, 2017 -> 04:25 PM) I love how you go from being a gigantic p**** when it comes to talking to people you agree with (i.e., your feminazi friend) to an ass when it comes to people you don't agree with. Is there really a need for this kind of post? Like you've never over-generalized before when talking about a specific group of people? Mods I'm actually serious about this. What's the line? Because I'm on my last of 3 strikes, over the 13 years I've been here, and I've been completely civil in the year I've been back because I enjoy this community and would like to remain apart of it. However, if this type of thing is allowed now, then I guess I don't need to be as conscious of my tone as I have been for the last year. Input would be appreciated. Because that all sounds like a personal attack. /snowflake

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Apr 24, 2017 -> 05:42 PM) Is it because of BLM or media coverage + technology (the ability to have video from just about anywhere)? Yes.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 24, 2017 -> 05:36 PM) I would say it was a factual description of you groveling to your fellow sjw's. I literally don't know what SJW's means.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 24, 2017 -> 05:30 PM) 11% ADHD according to cdc. 8% with depression From the cdc website "The percentage of children with an ADHD diagnosis continues to increase, from 7.8% in 2003 to 9.5% in 2007 and to 11.0% in 2011." So slightly is almost 40% from 2003 to 2011. The only rage I see is coming from you, who like Jenks pointed out, takes everything you don't agree with as a personal assault and license to be an ass. you can't shift the goalpost from depression to ADHD because it better serves your argument. I agree that ADHD is overdiagnosed. I think it's a problem. Over-perscription is something I think is very real in this country, and does have its side-effects. I think it's a valid concern that kids have far more experience interacting digitally than in person. But your overgeneralizing doesn't help solve the problem, and it pisses Millennials like me off to continually hear what "disasters" we are given the world we've inherited. And please. That last sentence could be flipped to talk about you and other far-right posters on this board just as easily. Sounds like someone's feeling a little snowflake-y.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Apr 24, 2017 -> 04:25 PM) I love how you go from being a gigantic p**** when it comes to talking to people you agree with (i.e., your feminazi friend) to an ass when it comes to people you don't agree with. Is there really a need for this kind of post? Like you've never over-generalized before when talking about a specific group of people? I'd get banned for this post. Just sayin'

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Apr 24, 2017 -> 05:30 PM) And it is sad, I mean there's plenty of video evidence out there that is shocking, cruel, etc that should provide plenty of humanizing support for the movement. But many conservatives I talked to about this topic would get so upset about how the black community kills itself, commits crimes against themselves, etc. They wouldn't hear any arguments against the police, which to me when you watch some of those videos is asinine. And I think there is a lot of sticking your head into the sand type stuff going on, and white people are to blame for a lot of this s***. But all of that said, the movement has not made the progress it should have. And I think that's a really interesting case study right there as to why. It isn't just racism, there is definitely a % of that but it isn't wholly that. But I think it has made progress. Police forces across the country are being forced to have stricter oversight, body cameras, etc, etc. The cop from GA that decked a black guy in the face and kicked him for no reason was fired immediately. These are all steps in the right direction, and are only happening because of BLM.

Though if that's how y'all perceived it, then maybe I should reflect on how I can better state my case. Thanks.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Apr 24, 2017 -> 05:15 PM) Reddy it's similar to your conversation with the feminist board you mentioned awhile back. You were already invalidated because of who you are, even if you wanted to be an ally, or had a helpful suggestion, it didn't matter because you are a white straight male. You just did that to this board. Where does that get us? I get your point, it's valid to question why white males are "deciding" what's best for women, but that doesn't mean they can't help and they shouldn't be allies. That's my problem with SJW out there, they are so damn focused on certain issues or so pissed at white establishment that they throw out any potential contribution from whites. And then people are confused why white suburbia (just a general expression for this) doesn't understand social justice issues. We aren't going to them as allies, and maybe some don't deserve even that much, but it's off-putting to one's you could win over. The above is why I think BLM is struggling with so many people compared to the LGBTQ movement. BLM is "f*** the establishment" and LGBTQ is more "influence and change the establishment." Those are general, extremely simple views of them though. I literally did none of this.

blah blah blah get off my lawn blah blah blah alternative facts

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 24, 2017 -> 03:17 PM) First, I didn't say that. So please read a little better. Second, with anywhere from 10% to 33% (depending on which med report you read) of people under 24 on Adderol or other type meds, 1 in 8 suffering from depression is it such a stretch to go with a lot of kids are f***ed up? I know not all are. Just from my anecdotal views, I have 2 nieces who are stellar students and I have 2 others that are going to be on government handouts for most of their lives, I believe. Panic attacks, anxiety, OMG, I can't have a job where I have to talk to people! (one actually said that, while she was tweeting something). Most of the adults I know have one or more kids on some type of attention drugs. I believe I said something like " it seems like every damn kid I see today ...". Not 'an entire generation is f***ed up'. Um. 7% of all people suffer from depression, and for teenagers to deal with it at a SLIGHTLY higher rate seems, um, completely normal and identical to the experience of every generation ever. So. Seems your rage is misplaced.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Apr 24, 2017 -> 02:42 PM) Ok. So the one thing you actually post about policies he's voted on is from Planned Parenthood. Who are giving him a 100%. Got it. Other stuff is BS. He treated HRC fine, you know he even backed her when the primary was over. There is no such thing as "Bernie Bros". Also, the "rape fantasy letter" was a essay he wrote on gender roles in 1972. Just ridiculous. ^ this is why this discussion is usually pointless to have with straight white guys. You discredit women's views on Sanders as "ridiculous". That actually proves my point.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Apr 24, 2017 -> 02:42 PM) Ok. So the one thing you actually post about policies he's voted on is from Planned Parenthood. Who are giving him a 100%. Got it. Other stuff is BS. He treated HRC fine, you know he even backed her when the primary was over. There is no such thing as "Bernie Bros". Also, the "rape fantasy letter" was a essay he wrote on gender roles in 1972. Just ridiculous. Right. That he votes for things like that, but he rarely fights hard for or actually sponsors legislation on women's rights. You have to look at Bernie through the lens of Vermont, which is the most liberal state in America. Would he have the same record elsewhere? I'm doubtful, but obviously that's just an opinion and everyone's welcome to their own.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Apr 24, 2017 -> 02:18 PM) Possibly. I would assume he did better with younger women and Clinton did better with older women. I would also like a few examples of Sanders long problematic history on women's rights. I don't want just a "he supported Mello". Rape fantasy essays, his treatment of HRC in the primaries, his failure to condemn misogynist Bernie Bros, calling HRC "unqualified" (if she wasn't qualified, what woman could possibly be qualified?), and now his willingness to overlook someone's anti-choice stance. It's a pattern. An interesting look at Bernie's race for Governor in '86 as well (splitting the diff between the '72 essays and now): Boston Globe Planned Parenthood's analysis: https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/blo...e-womens-health

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2017 -> 02:19 PM) Say what now? I mean there is no other way to read this other than flat out hypocrisy. What do you find hypocritical? That I think my views on women's rights are less important than women's views on women's rights, yet still feel frustrated when I'm shut down for trying to contribute my perspective/learn from theirs? I don't think that's hypocritical. I think that's just called life. Both can exist simultaneously. The world isn't black or white. I just think that on this message board, no one's really trying to learn anything (besides greg, hilariously).

And for the record, my views on women's rights aren't as important as women's views on women's rights. The issue I was speaking about in my question, SS, was about dealing with a marginalized person who makes a factually incorrect comment or argument. There's actually a difference between these two concepts. I promise.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Apr 24, 2017 -> 02:05 PM) Lmao, his problematic history on women's rights issues. Poll: Bernie Sanders country’s most popular active politician He's polling better with women than men. Yes. In the context of Trump. But when he was actually RUNNING against a woman, he polled significantly worse. Context matters my friend.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2017 -> 02:06 PM) I mean come on dude. I literally see nothing inconsistent there. I'm not calling you the enemy. I'm saying none of us have the frame of reference to adequately discuss this in an informed and unbiased way.