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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 10:18 PM) Perhaps this point of view comes across in your interactions and these people don't fully believe that you're an ally. possibly. I'm way more flippant here than I am when I'm actually making a cogent argument that appeals to reason. Y'all don't see that from me too much here so I understand where you're coming from

Yeah I think most of you are right here - maybe I just need to unfollow my hardline crazy left friends... but there's a part of me that feels like there HAS to be a way to find common ground, but maybe you're right. They may be too deeply emotionally invested in these issues (understandably, but unfortunately) to see it rationally/have a fair discussion.

QUOTE (G&T @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 09:17 PM) Pointers: First, you made the mistake of saying we need to solve "all of the problems." No, you're trying to resolve historic systemic injustice. White men do not have that problem. Second, your comment about rape culture is asking for trouble. It really isn't relevant that women make men feel bad. Rape is wrong regardless. Never remotely imply that women bear responsibility for changing men's action regarding rape. Fair points. Thanks.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 02:49 PM) First rule of dealing with internet trolls, when you realize that they are a troll stop posting. If you really want to engage them, realize that they are a troll and that no logical argument can be presented to change their mind. I wouldnt even know where to begin to respond to that inanity without really enraging them all. Which is why I wouldnt even both because its all just opinion, and no one is ever going to get people to agree on opinions. If they cant focus on the real issue, its just not worth the time. She isn't a troll. She truly and strongly believes these things, and we've known each other for years.

QUOTE (G&T @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 12:53 PM) Well, it's kinda hard to opine when you don't say what topics you are "debating" and what your "opinions" are. I would note that the way you feel now is probably how women and POC have felt in the workplace for a long time. Also, some people just want to be offended and there is nothing to be gained anyway. But I think more info would help. It's an interesting topic. The most recent convo came regarding women getting angry about being called "girls", and in the argument the point was made that women don't call men "boys" which is categorically false. "I'm with the boy" "me and the boy" "hey i hear you have a new boy" etc etc etc etc Me: Then, here's my post that got the angry ball rolling: Her: Me: Her: And it devolved from there - where I ended up getting painted in pretty f***ed up strokes by the gang of women that joined in the convo. Thoughts? Ways for me to improve?

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 02:23 PM) Some people dont want to be helped and there is nothing you can do to change it. The reality is, people like that arent likely to be very productive/helpful in any sort of change because they are unable/unwilling to compromise. But just like they need us, don't we need them? The progressive movement needs the Bernie wing - as hardline and uncompromising as they tend to be. Don't we?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 01:54 PM) It's funny, I remember a recent thread where you refused to acknowledge a poster's opinion because of his white male privilege. Rabbit and I just like to beat up on each other, and most of my responses to him are in troll form. But additionally, we're at opposite ends of the political spectrum. This question here more pertains to people that are ideologically on the same page yet vilify each other even though they've got the same goals.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 11:14 AM) Great post. Easy answer. Obvious answer. Just agree with them. Just nod and let them say whatever they want and agree with them and tell them they are great. That's the solution to all conversations nowadays. Don't tell your true feelings. Just tell the person you are speaking with she/he is 100 percent correct on all issues and it's your privilege to know him/her. Life is too short to disagree with somebody like that. No reason to debate with them at all. Stroke their egos and compliment them incessantly as they've been complimented and praised their entire lives I'm sure. Sigh. Some of us actually want to accomplish things, learn, grow, collaborate, communicate and solve problems for the betterment of humanity, as opposed to making our own personal lives as easy as possible.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 05:34 PM) As a 4* member of the resistance, those people make me sick too. If you're not going to have intelligent conversation with someone, how can you expect something positive to happen. But if I were a white man, I wouldn't tell a POC or a woman that they're going to need me to get some traction in their movement, that sounds so 'privileged'. You don't need white men to do anything. Actually this whole post sounds that way, if that really grinds your gears then thank goodness you're not a minority. If I were you I would remain calm, state where you're coming from and acknowledge your privileges. If they're still not willing to have a dialogue, leave and go on to the next person. Also don't let those bad experiences define your expectations for everyone else. I don't mean "need" as in need me to speak for them or lead their movement or - hell - be involved in their movement. But they need white votes and they need white men to agree with them re: things like misogyny if they actually want it to stop. But you're right, I should figure out a better way to make that point. Thanks.

Throughout these months of the Resistance, I've run into this crazy phenomenon known as the raging progressive. A person who is so wrapped up in their victimhood and the righteousness of their fight, that they've made all straight white men the enemy - even those of us equally as progressive as they. I've found that there's literally no way to have a debate with these people regarding ANYTHING without it devolving into an angry attack at my white male privilege and my "fragility" - even when we're discussing something unrelated to politics. My question is.... how the f*** do you talk with these people? How do I debate or offer a tactical suggestion (ie: regarding the Resistance and how we fight rampant misogyny or bigotry)? What I don't understand is that for any of these issues to find success and progress, they'll NEED white men in their coalition! It's basic math! And this mindset is exactly why we have Trump in the first place, so why on EARTH are these people still so dead set against learning from their mistakes? But really this post is about how I can better approach these conversations where I ALREADY feel like I'm walking on eggshells, but no matter how much I defer and validate their positions, the second I voice my opinion I'm told to "sit down" because of my white male-ness... which... you know... I totally chose (hypocrisy much?). My approach isn't working... I need to find something that does. HALP.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 12:48 AM) This board is like America ... changing. So many people want cookie cutter announcers now and actually think Hawk is lousy. My gawd. Hawk does not speak in an annoying announcer voice. Same with Stoney. He is not a plastic announcer. He's real. I must admit I thought Benetti did a nice job last year and had a good rapport with Stone. Sox did a good job of picking Benetti who doesn't seem to be a corporate tool either. So in a nutshell, we've got people on this board wanting the Sox to lose every game. Check. We've got people who do not want to see our best prospects for a long long time on the big league team lest they be "rushed" and "flop like Beckham did." Check. Sad state of affairs. Give me Hawk. Give me rebuilds like the Yankees (spend spend spend and never be lousy!) Give me winning baseball not the crap the Sox have spewed out there in the Robin era. The yankees have been plenty terrible plenty of times over the last decade and a half. #alternativefacts

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Mar 16, 2017 -> 07:44 PM) A small part of my childhood will be gone. He's declined over the years, but I'll still miss ya big guy. My thoughts exactly. Hawk, for me, IS White Sox baseball. The day he's no longer shouting hawkisms will be a sad one for me.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 2, 2017 -> 09:16 PM) Except if that happens you're still left with Pence or Ryan as president...depending on your views towards those two, it could be even worse in terms of partisanship, because Trump at least can float from side to side politically and try to pick off the Democrats and might actually be able to forget a compromise on immigration. Of course, that might all be just "reasonable-sounding talk" from the administration and a red herring to distract from a more nefarious reality. I'd rather have the same policies without the itchy nuclear trigger finger.

This thing is just going up in flames. I love every second of it.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Feb 28, 2017 -> 01:54 PM) Trump: "Nobody knew healthcare could be so complicated." Uh, I'm pretty sure anybody paying any attention to the ACA for the past 8 years knows that its incredibly complicated. No, he's talking about Obamacare.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 24, 2017 -> 11:31 PM) I read this bulls*** and had to fight back tears. The 1996 Olympics wouldn't get out of my head. I don't understand why people don't just refuse to comply. It's completely illegal to do this without a warrant. EDIT: Gotta check my white male privilege on that... It's not as simple for many folks, I'm sure.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 24, 2017 -> 09:36 PM) I. Love. This. Guy.

After all my years fighting against voter suppression... maybe I'm not so opposed to a basic political literacy test before you're allowed to vote... (mostly green. mostly)

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Feb 24, 2017 -> 09:40 AM) Key Question About DNC Race: Why Did White House Recruit Perez to Run Against Ellison? Watch the Democratic Party trip and fall over itself. Electing Perez will be such a massive mistake from a PR standpoint. I cannot comprehend why the DNC is so f***ing tone-deaf and clueless.

There's just. Too. Much.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 22, 2017 -> 09:15 AM) I dont get that impression. There is a common enemy here, which there really wasnt before. Dunno about Chicago. It's LOUD here in NYC. Most of the rallies have large contingents of socialists - but keep in mind we also had the Occupy movement, and this has brought them all back into the streets.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 05:53 PM) I think there is a pretty large sense of buyer's remorse from the "anyone but Hillary" crowd that voted for this disaster. His base is always going to be his base as long as he is being led by white nationalists on the flip side, the Bernie or Bust-ers are louder than ever at these rallies and protests... so who knows, there could be the same split on both sides, rendering the other moot.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 05:03 PM) So far I feel like it is doing the opposite. The anger directed at not only the Trump Presidency, but more so at his supporters, is really hardening a lot of people's positions into flat out paranoia. These are the people that fully believe there is a plot to steal the Presidency from Trump. While the anger has fired up the left, it has fired up the right too. touche, that's a good point. Though I'd argue it's pretty hard to compare how mobilized either side is compared to the other at this point. Something like the GA-6 election April 18th will give a good idea.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 03:38 PM) Eh, it is a common tactic of both sides of the aisle to take a thought with a basis in fact, but turn it into something completely false. I can't tell you how many things that are being attributed to EVERYONE WHO VOTED FOR TRUMP since the election. On the flip side, I actually welcome the astroturf talk. Dems made the same mistake in '09/10 and look how that worked out. Encouraging their base to think we're paid protesters leads to complacency. I'm all for Republican complacency.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 11:27 AM) Not to validate what the blind followers are saying here, but I would make a distinction here. I think there is a lot of organic anger that had led to an ease of organization of events like this. I do fully believe that the organization and planning of these events isn't random and that there is a paid work being done at the top levels to keep people angry and engaged through the elections. I mean... of course. That happens on both sides, and always has. MoveOn, OurRevolution, Shaun King, Michael Moore, Women's March, etc, etc, etc, etc of course they're making money - this is their job. But that's not what the rabid Trumpsters are saying. They think every one of us is being paid to rally, because that's what their leaders are leading them to believe.