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QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 5, 2016 -> 12:33 AM) When exactly did you stop loving baseball? The 2014 World Series had arguably the best pitching performance ever in game 7 with the most dramatic final sequence. See big rant a couple posts up Just to make things worse, I like the bunt call.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 09:13 PM) Reddy, I am just wondering why it took the Cubs in the WS to remind you of why you love baseball so much? Is it because it was a team from Chicago? A team built the "right" way? A team of young kids? What was it? Honestly, I've given so few s***s about the game this year. The Sox have done everything in their power to make it absolutely miserable to be a fan of this franchise. Between the bulls*** clubhouse drama on multiple occasions, the s***ty new stadium name, the way they went about getting rid of Ventura, the complete ass-backwards way the front office runs the team - it's been tough to give a s*** anymore. I do. I do still care. But I'm honestly more excited about the Mets right now (my brother's fav team, my NL team, and for obvious reasons) than the Sox for the first time in my life, and that bums me the f*** out because I LOVE this team. Game 7 - it was literally just game 7 - revitalized my passion for the game. Like I said, I didn't really care who won, and I really don't care about the Cubs, but watching that game was so f***ing fun, and was so back and forth. Every time I felt comfortable that the Cubs had it in the bag, something crazy happened, even down to the bottom of the 10th, one out away and suddenly the winning run is at the plate. It was simply the intersection of ALL the storylines in one moment. It was every baseball movie wrapped into one game. The old timer's home run in the last game of his career, the rain coming in the most epic moment - 9th inning of a tied game 7 of a world series between two teams desperate for a championship. Every single thing I thought would happen didn't happen (besides calling the squeeze bunt! haha). At the end of the day, stories are why we care about anything, and they're why we care about sports and why we care about our favorite teams. Watching some amazing and unforgettable stories get woven that night just reinvigorated my love for the game. I found an old picture of my dad coaching my 15 year old all star team afterwards. Seeing the bond that sports can create between friends, family and complete strangers was something I think I needed right now with the f***ing turmoil and fear and hate this election has inspired around the country. There's just SO MUCH NEGATIVITY everywhere, and for a little tiny bit, we all got to be on the same team being stoked that one HELL of a good story just got written before our eyes. One that will be told and retold again and again year after year no matter how s***ty things are in real life. Sure that happens for whichever fanbase wins the world series, but Giants fans don't give a f*** whether it's one WS win or another. This one really mattered to a whole lot of people. And goddammit, at the end of the day, what's the point of being pissy about it? There were 5 million joyful, ecstatic, happy people at that parade today - and that's worth dealing with a bit of obnoxiousness for the next few days/weeks/months. At least I think so.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 06:48 PM) A powerful take from the other side. Why baseball matters. Why sports matter. Heartbreaking and beautifully written. Unfortunately, this was going to be the case for one of these fanbases no matter what. The good news is the Indians have a great young core, too. (s***ty news for us haha) This world series put me back in touch with why I love this game so much. That's really all any of this came from. Maybe it didn't for others, but IF the reason for that is your own bias, anger and hate, then I feel bad y'all missed out. Those emotions literally don't serve you in any way, and Cubs fans aren't going to stop celebrating or being obnoxious because it pisses you off... so... might as well not let it piss you off, right!? There's no winning to be had there.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 05:32 PM) I'm not going to tell you how to feel but I'm just going to post 200 times that what we witnessed was likely the greatest event in human history. Why you're not continuously sobbing with joy is beyond me. I still have chills up my spine about what happened and will likely read everything ever written about this Cubs team and save all the newspaper clippings. Also, I am a die hard Sox fan. You can keep mischaracterizing my words all you want. Doesn't make what you're saying any more accurate. I've actually lost a good amount of respect that I had for you as a poster in this thread. I know that doesn't mean anything, but hey, just being honest. Can you point to one moment in my 12 year history on this site that makes you question whether or not I'm a Sox fan?

I'm not sure how we'd be looking at it had the Indians won. The game itself wouldn't change. It would be an epic comeback and contribute to the continuing life of the goat/Bartman / curse legend. But the good news is that we don't need to engage in hypotheticals because it happened the way it did. I don't think there's ever been better context for a WS or more on the line for each team than this game 7. The Yankees in 01 is damn close, if not better, but they lost... So...

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 05:36 PM) In today's world, everything that happens yesterday has a tendency to be the "most amazing thing that has ever happened." You know this is what sells newspapers and advertising. Go back to the days after some of those other World Series that we talked about, and I am sure you will find some incredibly well-written and evocative pieces, including in 2005. The Cubs are an historic franchise, they play in an historic ballpark, and they have an extremely large fanbase. Those three things, in and of themselves, do not make that WS the greatest WS ever played. The quality of play was decent. The drama was for the most part lacking. The umpiring was not good. The games were for the most part not competitive. Let me ask you this. Had the Indians won game 7, would you think it was the best WS ever? Technically, a completed comeback in game 7 and the perpetuation of the Cubs losing probably adds to the "lore" that I have seen many mention. The drama was lacking? Not in game 7! Literally every time I thought "alright this thing is over" it suddenly wasn't. And the fact that the Cubs went down 3-1 in the first place, coupled with the 166 years is all the drama you could ever hope for! TIE game in extra innings of the 7th game of the world series between two teams that hadn't won since the aftermath of WW2? Come on. That's the dream.

QUOTE (juddling @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 05:21 PM) Dear God....enough with all the over-the-top hyperbole about the whole thing. A rain delay isn't 'tears from heaven'.....it's a f***ing rain shower...same one that passed through chicago the day before Now I'm seeing pics from parade of a couple Cubs players....of course the sun shining down on them is "from the heavens' GMAFB Of course it's not. It's called a story. It's attaching significance to something totally random, but coincidental. It's what baseball (oh, and life) is built on. Baseball wouldn't be the sport it is without those things, and I'm glad we're still creating new stories and myths that will live on

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 04:50 PM) I think we all recognize the significance of it. s***, we all just went through the same things with our own favorite team. I don't know where you are reading in this thread that the Cubs' winning is not significant. That is a very different thing, however, than "the most significant thing in baseball history," which is the argument that some seem to be trying to make. It's absolutely high on that list. How high is obviously subjective and up for debate, but multiple posters called this "just any other series" and said that the other teams and their fans don't care, and all of that is unequivocally false. I'm not a sportswriter. I don't have the breadth of knowledge they do, but reading some incredibly well written and evocative pieces over the last few days, along with my personal experience of watching that game, brought me to the conclusion it did. Others don't need to feel the same way, but Cubs fans are absolutely within their rights to still be ecstatic and obnoxious about their win just two days ago. Gimme a break.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 02:02 PM) Based on the responses you're getting here, I'd disagree. On a White Sox message board. That's not exactly the unbiased sample you'd want to be staking your position on regarding "most people"

QUOTE (South Sider @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 04:17 PM) You gotta remember, you're dealing with a lot of Sox fans here who have no love whatsoever for the Cubs. There's nothing wrong with that, but the argument you're trying to make is falling on deaf ears. We know the historical significance of this event, let the Cub haters keep on hating and denying it all they want. Everyone wants to say there's nothing historically significant about sucking in baseball, and that's right. To be sure, there is nothing that is REALLY historically significant when it comes to professional sports. History books won't tell the tale of the Cubs finally winning a World Series. For me, it comes back to baseball lore and those who care about it. Some of the best moments baseball has are the Red Sox, White Sox and now the Cubs finally breaking historically long (in baseball lore) World Series droughts. In 100 years, if some baseball historian writes a history book about baseball, you better believe that there will be sections relating to the Red Sox, White Sox and Cubs finally winning a World Series after having not for so long. That's really all there is to it. To one person, it might not be as amazing a postseason as 2001, or it might not be as amazing as Barry Bonds breaking home run records. I know I'm preaching to a bunch of salty Sox fans, but to say this isn't significant to baseball history is just plain wrong. I think a lot of salty Sox fans are just grasping at straws to try and downplay this. Do yourself a favor: don't. Just keep being you, accept that this is what it is for us, and move on, because it doesn't impact your life in any meaningful way. I know a lot of you don't care what I have to say, and that's fine. I'm just trying to bring a little perspective to this thread in a way which I feel can enhance your life at this moment. If I helped any one person out at all, then I'm happy, that's why I'm here posting this. Not to put the Cubs on a pedestal in front of a bunch of Sox fans, but to help my fellow Sox fans out through some of the toughest times there probably have ever been to be a White Sox fan. You give me hope for Sox fans. Haha good stuff man.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 01:57 PM) Come on now... 2001 was the literal storybook ending. Game 7, bottom of the 9th, bases-loaded, game tied, 1 out facing the best closer in the game. This game 7 would've only been comparable had one of the Indians batters walked off Chapman in the 9th. The story-line of two teams that have been bad for a really long time just isn't as compelling. To most people, turns out it actually is.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 01:42 PM) How can you put down a Trump supporter. Some of them cry when they see him at his rallies. There are people dying of cancer that want nothing more than Donald to be President. How dare you act like a non fan and put them down. Here's some perspective for you, the Cubs and their fans to many of us, are what Trump and his supporters are to you. It doesn't appear like you will be saluting them if he wins on Tuesday. There's so much wrong with this post

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 01:29 PM) That was the storyline that set up the series...that didn't make this individual game incredible though. The 8th inning comeback was great. I will give you that. But that alone does not make it one of the best baseball games ever. Come on, if you don't think game 7 refocused all of that history back into one moment, I don't know what to say. In the 10th inning of game 7 of the WS, that 166 years matters. It raises the stakes in such a huge way.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 01:37 PM) Now I think we are getting into different ways of defining "greatest game." I am purely talking about the game itself, not the backstory. I dont think that many people will deny that there was a lot of historical context, its just up until Maddon pulled Hendricks I really just didnt see the Indians having any chance. But... You can't separate context. It's there. It's impacting every player and fan and coach. Taking anything without context is, in my view, meaningless. Context MAKES the thing.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 01:19 PM) But thats why its not really comparable to Braves-Twins a game that was 0-0 with Jack Morris going 10 innings. There are some other games from a long time ago with Koufax, etc that have similar story lines that I never witnessed myself so I cant really comment. The Davis home run was a very exciting moment, but to me the Kirk Gibson hr off of Eckersely was crazier. The Twins Braves game is great competition, for sure. I just don't think you can beat the overall context of this game. This wasn't a game of incredible personal performances, but was a war of attrition with 166 years at stake.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 01:13 PM) At this point he is trying to get complements out of a Hillary convention about Trumps positions on women's rights. Might wanna reverse that. You're the ones being run by your egos here.... Haha

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 01:16 PM) This is a really classy thread though. I doubt Cubs fans would make a thread like this on their message board if the roles were reversed. A few of us are, at least.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 01:06 PM) Forgot to also add that the Yankees were the 3-time defending champions. That series was a literal storybook ending. SO was this. 166 years without a championship between them. This will be turned into a movie. Book it.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 01:10 PM) Seriously dude. Plenty of room left on Sons of Ivy and other Cubs message boards. I've been here 12 years. I'm good. Grow up.

My newest Onion article: WHITE SOX FANS MAKE LIST OF BETTER WORLD SERIES WINNERS THAN THE CUBS

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 01:02 PM) this thread is a hot dumpster fire that deserves to be thrown in another larger hot dumpster fire Lol please.

QUOTE (South Sider @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 12:55 PM) Seriously, it's the next part of the lore of baseball. The team that couldn't buy a World Series finally gets it together. Theo Epstein, the greatest baseball executive of all time, delivers titles to beleaguered fanbases in Boston and Chicago, and he will be in the HOF. There's your record for you. That will be remembered 108 years from now. Other teams don't care as much, but why should they? That said, I still recognize teams like the Giants for winning 3 titles in 6 years and how impressive that was. Plus, we all remember those insane Yankee teams, The Big Red Machine, and other such dynasties. And if the Cubs become a dynasty, that will be remembered by baseball fans everywhere. This would be a dynasty for the ages... from complete and total losers to complete and total winners. Even if they don't become a dynasty, this one World Series, coming back 3 games to 1, the sheer joy of a city, the best executive in the game and quite possibly the best manager in the game. Literally having every single one of their top prospects work to this point! That doesn't just happen, that comes with an organization built the right way. Other teams will be taking notes and trying to build organizations like this because the Cubs are now perpetuating the idea that winning a World Series means having the best organization, from top to bottom. You can't skimp on any one part of the organization. Trying to downplay this is just silly. If you don't care about baseball, that's one thing, but people wouldn't be here if they didn't care about baseball. I try to keep a solid perspective in between baseball and reality. Baseball is a source of entertainment but it does not impact my life or reality in a significant way. It's just a cool, fun game to watch most of the time. Most other baseball fans probably feel the same way I feel about this, a mixture of "this is cool" and worry that their team will have a tough time winning championships because the Cubs seem poised to go on a huge run for the next few years.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 12:53 PM) You're obviously not going to get much sympathy here with your views on the Cubs. Not sure why you keep adding fuel to the fire. Re-f***ing-read my posts! I don't like the goddamn Cubs! You're as bad as a Trump supporter right now, ignoring the words and evidence put forth by the person your debating. Hilarious.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 12:46 PM) Eh.. I don't know about the greatest World Series ever. You can definitely argue game 7 for WS game though. I could definitely be swayed on that if someone can find a better one given the context of this one, but I'll stand my ground on Game 7.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 12:48 PM) Cut him some slack. His brand new silk Cubs thong is just making him giddy. What a badass. Personal attacks at the guy who's held to a different standard so he can't fight back. Nice You know what they say about folks who fall back on ad hominem attacks when they can't put together a cogent argument.