Reddy

You were a big fan of those garbage Democrats back then. Or am I missing the green?

Which Dem(s) can beat Avenatti? Honest question.

How, pray tell, were they supposed to do them with a GOP majority for the last 8 years?

She's not wrong. Had all those external things not happened AND the campaign had still made the mistakes it did, she'd have won. If her campaign hadn't made the mistakes, and all the external things still happened, she also would've won. Taking responsibility does not mean lying about the fact that there were things that affected something that were outside of your control. That's called hubris and narcissism.

Then you might want to avoid talking about what Hillary has and hasn't taken responsibility for.

You people are mind-blowing.

Holy shit read the first 5 pages of her book.

Lol. You're so disingenuous. Like truly, how many times do I need to talk about the mistakes Hillary and the campaign made before you'll understand that - shockingly - I can and do put blame on all parties involved? Like seriously how many times? Because I've said it a dozen times throughout these threads. Hillary. Was. A. Fundamentally. Flawed. Candidate. Did you read that, or did you cover your eyes so you can make a "stronger" argument against me next time you try to rehash this excruciatingly tired argument?

Medicaid is a HUGE issue in this state right now. So....... whoops? And Sanders won primarily caucuses, the least democratic nominating systems. Why do we have to keep reliving this history over and over and over before it sinks in? DEMS STAND FOR SO FUCKING MUCH. Affordable education, medicaid and social security, protecting the environment, fighting climate change, raising the minimum wage, universal healthcare, common sense gun reforms, we're pro-inclusion, pro-civil rights, pro-justice for ALL, on and on and on and fucking on. I'm so fucking tired of that bullshit false narrative. You're STILL spreading GOP and Russia-driven crap and it's ridiculous. It's absolutely fucking ridiculous.

They've also won nationwide in epic fashion in the 2 years since 2016. We've already seen what's happening. The low voter turnout among Ds had to do with the misogynistic Bernie or Bust trash that was sewn by the GOP, Russia and Bernie Bros. We wouldn't have seen that with a male candidate in Hillary's place with the exact same policies.

Brent Welder is a trash human. Of course Bernie endorsed him. He verbally berates a 19 year old girl when she went to congratulate him on a well run campaign because of a tweet she'd made the day before. Then he denies it happened like any good douchenozzle, claiming that the 19 year old girl "made it up". Classic.

So even though Russia very well may have been responsible for the low Dem turnout and may have in fact manipulated votes in pivotal states, you still say it's just a fake excuse? No, Hillary was a poor candidate because of her personal baggage. Anyone else with her policies probably would've won.

This is the most white-privilege thing I've ever seen you say. And Chicago suburbs aren't the fcking midwest. That's ridiculous. You used to be such a reasonable person on these boards, and you've shifted to crazyland over the last year.

Moderate Democrats. People who support women's reproductive rights, raising the min wage (not to a blanket $15, but to a price point their local economies can afford. I've had this convo NUMEROUS times), more funding for trade schools, apprenticeship programs and training programs for plumbers, carpenters, electricians, etc. Affordable college education, funding for infrastructure. Defense of medicaid and social security. They decry the "socialism" of Bernie and the far-left and don't like people getting things "for free". BUT these are generally lower-information voters (MOST voters are lower-information voters) and they like the programs that help THEM, but they like them because they worked their ASSES off and think they've earned them, while the younger generation is lazy and entitled. I know most of that is actually bullshit, but you aren't going to be able to re-educate millions and millions of voters. You have to meet them where they are and give them a candidate they'll vote for, not live in some fantasy world about the candidate they SHOULD vote for. Because when you do that, you lose. As we saw last night in Michigan, Kansas and we've seen happen across the midwest REPEATEDLY in resounding fashion since 2016.

How about by someone who talks to hundreds of Midwestern voters every week?

This might be the dumbest thing you've ever posted. Please recite our last President's full name.

Man, I just spent the last few weeks since AOC hearing about how "WE CAN WIN EVERYWHERE". I didn't realize by "win" you meant "lose". Thanks for a clarification of the goalposts. Thompson had already had a nationally spotlighted special election. No one was going to challenge him seriously, and I agree that Davids is a great progressive candidate. Weird that Bernie and AOC didn't endorse her, huh? Bernie doesn't have the magic with voters y'all think he does. Not in the heartland. That's why he's a terrible POTUS choice. He's not adored out here like you think he is. We don't have time to "move the right direction" and lose again this fall or in 2020.

How'd tonight go for the "AOC plays GREAT in the Midwest" crowd?

Saying "corporatist" in a negative light, when your criticism involves wanting her to support a policy that would directly crush the economy of her district is asinine.

Follow her on twitter. Her position on that is the backbone of the campaign.

ah yes, in Iowa's first district where we're desperate to keep manufacturing jobs in the state while they try and leave for Mexico: calling for raising their taxes is a fucking brilliant idea. Also, I'm pretty sure you've argued that you're not a progressive puritan in the past, but that's not what this sounds like. All or nothin', am I right y'all? Who cares about fitting a district, you're either with us or you're against us! #PurityTestsAreDumb #SheCaresAboutHerFamilyAndFriendsAbilityToKeepTheirJobs

?? ?You truly don't listen to the things I say. I support progressive policy. I support Democrats who can win. When one has both, great. Often times that's not the case. (What about her is corporatist, out of curiosity? Her family lived paycheck to paycheck, her sister runs a farm with her husband. There's not a corporate bone in her body)

why in quotes?

not public.