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QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 03:41 PM) Dude got 52% of the woman vote. More than a woman candidate. Clearly a big chunk of women didn't care about him calling Rosie O'Donnell fat or having some bro-talk with a hot mic. The sexism cry is so overblown. My bigger problem is if youre a party that wants to legislate morality/religion, you should actually hold yourself accountable. A bit hypocritical to be talking about laws on marriage, when you are running a President who has been married multiple times. Not sure if history books still go back before the year 2000, but there was a time when "divorce" was against the law in many European countries. Damn Henry VIII and his progressive/ liberal values.

Remember that time everyone in America got tricked into thinking that it was all about a "race" fight when really they should be having a "class" fight. One day, someone will wake up and realize that while everyone was fighting some mythical "race" war, the elites were taking all of the money and all of the power. Rich businessman who inherited millions now "people's champion", the great defender of American industry, who almost exclusively uses foreign industry for his own products. Not saying that Clinton is any different, but, you are basically watching people hand over their money to the extreme wealthy, and they are doing it with a big grin thinking that they somehow won. If I wanted to be super selfish about everything, I doubt that Trump will in anyway hurt me. But you know me, that damn "liberal", I have to have this stupid conscience where I try and do what I think is best for everyone.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 03:16 PM) This conversation is going nowhere. A bunch of black people tearing a Trump supporter out of his car and beating him and driving off while he clings to it is terrible. Minorities being bullied, threatened, harassed, and assaulted is terrible. This thread is an exact reason why we'll never stand united. It's always just a pissing match. Can you children please grow up and talk about the issues? Do it over in the President-Elect thread, as well. The election is over. What issues? More jobs are going to magically appear in sectors that have been dying forever. We are going to invent a new form of economics where tariffs dont hurt the economy. And we are going to make sure that the elite are given more money and more power because only they can save the common man from himself. Were good on policies, so now lets return to arguing about how criminals are representative (insert your enemy's party here) of the party. Or maybe a meme war, I think that could solve America. Ever see the "Arthur fist" that one people seem to love.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 02:03 PM) Im posting it in threads where people are talking about all the evil things white people are doing because Trump won. None of the tolerant left seems upset when someone gets dragged out of their car and jumped by 2-3 guys because they voted for Trump. Where are the videos of minorities getting chased around and beaten because Trump became president? Where is the outrage that George Soros and mulitple democratic super pacs were hiring the mentally ill to not only attack people, but to make it appear they were Bernie supporters? Listening to people say stuff like "Well I have a gay friend and Im worried that Trump might do this or that" while the actual democratic party was hiring people to attack American citizens is astonishing. Look on social media, there are assassination threats, threats of riots, threats of attacking Trump supporters and we have a bunch of democrats worried that Trump "may" do something because they listen way too much to CNN. The fauxrage is real. What you stated in the last sentence has been occurring for the last 8 years. You had Trump rallies where people were saying Clinton should be "executed." But the best part about this post is the idea that we should be more worried about what internet trolls say than what the next President of the US says. "Dont worry guys, you cant trust that Trump will do what he says. The real worry is all of those loud mouth internet trolls, because they have historically been reliable at following through with their troll threats." Dont confuse the issues. I have pretty much 0 empathy for people who are now "protesting/rioting" whatever, the time to do that was any point in the last year prior to Tuesday's election. That being said, the amount of damage that internet trolls/idiots on the street can do, is pretty much 0. Remember, if these people actually could effectuate their policies or beliefs, Trump would have lost.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 01:36 PM) I said borderline, but you're talking about national security workers abandoning their jobs because they don't like the democratically elected president. I'd consider that a betrayal to the people/country they serve. It would never be actionable, but it's close. Uh at worst it would be breach of contract, unless they are military and then it would be desertion. But last I checked we live in America and people (outside of the military) can quit their job for any reason or no reason, and the remedy of the employer would be to sue for damages.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 11:42 AM) I think it's safe to say the best move the LGBT community leaders could do is shower Trump with praise and see what kind of policy that gets them. I'm really not joking. actually was discussing this last night. If I was a Dem id be reaching out to Trump right now trying to woo him. Just keep saying it was business running against him and no hard feelings, then keep saying what many of the Republicans "betrayed" him. Id use a sports analogy, when the Yankees play the Mets, its their job to try and beat the other team. But its completely different if one of the Yankees tries to help the Mets win, and thats what a lot of his party did.

Soo are we about to see a Rep/Dem flip? Dems are states rights? Dems are free trade? The anti-free trade Republican stance still perplexes me.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 11:27 AM) People havent wanted to admit but Trump winning was hugely fueled by the media. As someone who really wasnt supporting either candidate, watching every news outlet during the election try to tell people if you dont vote for Hillary Clinton you are sexist, racist etc got old very quickly. CNN asking the DNC what questions to ask Trump and Cruz, feeding Hillary questions to debates and as I railed against before, editing quotes pissed a lot of people off. This was really stupid. Just last night I told my dad that part of the problem was/is people took it too far. For example, the Trump/Nazi stuff. Ivanka is a Jew, Kushner (who I believe Trump respects and listens to) is a Jew. When you start going down roads like that, it just becomes noise. I jokingly (or maybe not so jokingly) said that they should have done the reverse and promoted how close Trump is with Jews.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 11:22 AM) Except he works for Goldman, not Chase. Meet the new boss, the same as the old boss.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 11:18 AM) So these dozens of examples of people reporting hate crimes are just made up? Havent seen any wikileaks reporting it, so definitely made up. lol Ive never done sarcasm/green on this board so i dont know the tag.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 10:56 AM) Ya and she got bludgeoned in the electorate by Donald Trump despite having all of Washington DC, almost every media outlet, popular celebrities, billionaires all backing her. Dems got slaughtered down ballot too. Mark Kirk and Kelly Ayotte are two of the bigger GOP losers and they were 2 of the most vocal never Trumpers. Kirk lost because of Trump. Had to take a seat away from Republicans just in case. Hope for the best, plan for the worst. Nothing against Kirk, its just a numbers game and that is what our country is now.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 11:04 AM) You tell me what you think of our judicial system. I think its pretty good. Dont really hear a lot of complaints about juries. Most of the "complaints" you hear (whether legitimate or not) are about appellate level or higher judges, which dont involve juries at all. Not to mention, I cant really think of a country with a better judicial system.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 10:29 AM) I just learned that countries like Australia have compulsory voting where everyone is required to vote. Why wouldn't that work here? I don't know much about it to be honest but it sounds like a great idea, especially given our abysmal turnouts. Because our founding fathers actually wanted to prevent "uninformed" people from voting. Making people who dont care or dont know anything isnt the answer, it will just lead to more stupid s***. There is a fundamental fight in our country right now, urban v. rural, its nothing new. The problem is that both sides get hijacked by special interests and nothing gets accomplished.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 10:21 AM) You act like there was some sudden shift. It's the same country. DEMOCRATS lost the election. A new wave of White Power Americans didn't win it. Youre right, its nothing new. I just think that many people actually "hoped" that over the last 50+ years parts of America had "changed." People just like to forget things, like the fact that Britain passed slavery abolition 30 years prior to the US or that France did it in 1794.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 10:10 AM) You are smart enough to realize the distinction here. I pointed it out yesterday and 5 more people pointed it out to you today. You cannot compare the fabricated, paranoid, and in many cases, incomprehensible fear of Obama and his actual POLICIES by republicans to that the fear caused by things Trump has actually said and promised to do. The former involves baseless nonsense invented by themselves, whereas the latter involves things the candidate and his VP have actually promised to do. Yes he can, because there is no accountability for anything we say anymore. I mean the entire premise of the argument is "People say things they dont mean."

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 9, 2016 -> 09:25 PM) It's laughable and disrespectful to anyone who's ever had hardship or adversity. This is exactly what is wrong with people. WTF? Seriously, who are you to be some sort of "feelings" police. Bmags can feel however he wants. And before you start, there have been plenty of times where Bmags and I have not seen eye to eye, and he probably is going to be shocked that I am the one posting this. But if its Bmags worst day, its his worst day. I dont know what he has gone through, I dont care. If he says its a bad day for him, then he is entitled to it being a bad day. Its not a contest, its not some sort of "oh well I suffered worse so it cant possibly be a bad day for you." Why do you care? Why does it matter to you if its his worst day, best day, or somewhere in between? How in any way does it diminish a bad day I had, or a tragedy I overcame? How is it in any way disrespectful? He didnt say anything about anyone else, he merely said what he felt.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 9, 2016 -> 04:31 PM) LOL, I never thought I'd be in such lockstep with SB. Welcome to the dark side.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 9, 2016 -> 04:20 PM) I've been struggling with that soxbadger. I focused on cheap housing to make it cheaper to move there, but I don't see how it is resovled without government assistance at least for this generation. The economy is providing more and more jobs to services. Services are more productive in dense areas. What happens to resolve that tension? Go back and time and make less jobs for all? The simplest solution would be to increase immigration, which is pretty much the boogeyman in US politics. The reason why the US was able to withstand the pressure of globalization historically was that it was offset by the continual increase in labor. Whereas the first industrial nations, UK/France, had limited increase in population, the US had exponential. Due to the exponential increase in population, "jobs" were being created by the minute. When someone new moves to the country, they need things and so they buy things. It stabilizes every market (more people = higher demand) and thus while the US lost jobs, it was gaining jobs at a similar rate. While the raw numbers have increased, the percentage of growth from immigrants went down from 1% in 1900 to approximately .3% today. At the beginning of the 20th century you were looking at a 2% increase in population per year. Its now down to .7%, during the recession it fell to .4% in 2010. The problem is that people think that if they stop immigration it means that there will be more jobs here, when it likely is the reverse. Its the same idea with free trade, etc. This used to be the area where you had a lot of cross over, but who knows anymore.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 9, 2016 -> 03:52 PM) I see first hand that construction and business spending is up and we are coming up on a HUGE tech bubble (hopefully doesnt pop) which makes us THE leader in the world. But I guess since some factories closed over a decade ago that business sucks. The issue is that most of the "recovery"/ "good" is in the urban areas. Im pretty sure I saw some stat about recovery/new jobs etc and that most of them are in the larger cities. There are real issues for those who live in more "rural" areas. The problem (at least imo) is that they are searching for answers that either dont exist, or are unwilling to accept solutions that they believe will hurt them (increasing immigration etc.) Youd need a massive amount of govt projects akin to the new deal to really see any massive uptick of jobs in those areas. No matter what tariffs/trade deals happen, there is just little reason to believe that globalization will stop. It started before the US was even a nation, its just people either dont care to learn history or refuse to realize that at one time, the US was the country who took the jobs from Europe and that eventually someone else would do the same to us. Unless the US starts a "race to the bottom", most of those jobs are gone and never returning. There is just no way you can compete. I did a random search and the hourly wage in Bangladesh is $.24 per hour. Even if you were to reduce the us wage to $4 per hour, you are still talking approximately 16 hours of work for every 1 hour of work in the US The real concern is that if the US starts screwing with free trade that it will actually cost the price of goods to go up, with no change in employment, meaning that people will earn the same amount but have to pay more for it which is actually a negative for most consumers. This is why historically the Republican party was pro-free trade. This is from on the issues: Its really the main reason I thought that at the end of the day Republicans would not accept Trump. He is just destroying some of their core economic beliefs.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 9, 2016 -> 03:01 PM) Well, except jesus. I have no problem with people who want to argue morality/religion. That is 100% their right as an American. I may not agree, but they are free to argue that position. Just dont take a "religious" position and then try and convince me that its a "science" position. If someone wants to argue on religious grounds, we can go down that path. I have some old testament arguments that suggest that life begins when the child could "breathe."

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Nov 9, 2016 -> 02:58 PM) The problem with this way of thinking is that as technology develops you're changing the definition of what is alive/dead. So over time more deaths occurred. That's a nonsensical way of looking at it. Im 100% fine with this way of thinking. And if ever science became so advanced that you could remove the cells at day 1 and save them, I would have a really hard time arguing that abortion should be legal. Because at that point giving away the cells would be akin to giving a child away for adoption. But as of today, that is not scientifically feasible.

QUOTE (brett05 @ Nov 9, 2016 -> 02:58 PM) By your definition we can kill babies until they can feed themselves. Nice! Actually no. If you read you would see that a baby could survive with science (feeding tube, etc) so obviously they are "human". Nice try, keep them coming.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Nov 9, 2016 -> 02:55 PM) We've been over this before, but this is nonsense. We have been over reasonable positions. If you want to argue that at some point after pregnancy there is a moment where the cells become "human" and therefore should be protected, I 100% agree with that. But that is not the argument. He is saying all abortion is murder. And there is no way anyone can scientifically argue that at day 1 its the equivalent of a "human".

QUOTE (brett05 @ Nov 9, 2016 -> 02:50 PM) Nothing to do with religion. You'll find no scientific evidence that the human life does not start at conception. Actually that is false. Can a 1 week fertilized egg survive outside of the womb? No. Can a 1 week fertilized egg survive with assistance from science outside of the womb? No. Can a human survive with assistance of science survive outside of the womb? Yes. If a human cannot survive with the assistance of science outside of the womb, what do we call them? Dead.

QUOTE (brett05 @ Nov 9, 2016 -> 02:46 PM) It's alive and it's murder. Kill a pregnant woman in something like 38 states and it's a double homicide. But hey, keep trying to hide the murder. Since when do laws have anything to do with science? Nice try, but you will never win this argument on scientific grounds. You want to argue "religion" and "morality" feel free. But again, those same people were the ones who said the Earth was the center of the Universe. The very people who made Da Vinci and Galileo have to hide their findings for fear of backlash. Earth now center of Universe, not a debate because Church told me so! WOOT WOOT CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE!