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If you take enough shots, you are going to miss on some. Thought the idea behind the trade was good (Sox had a history of OF prospects busting, Borchard, Reed, Anderson), Vazquez never could consistently make it happen. The guy will always frustrate me because he was so up and down.

I understand exactly what Im implying, Im implying that Im not going to make statements that cant be proven, Ill wait until the dust settles. I dont parade around acting like my predictions are fact. Do you understand that is what you are doing? Plenty of people on this board have different predictions, different beliefs on players. Most of us realize that our opinion is just that, an opinion, and that we could be wrong. You seem to be of the belief that there is absolutely no set of circumstances where you could be wrong, and I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that is just completely untrue. (Edit) There is only 1 person who refuses to be fair and balanced, its you J4L. That is a fact and I have no problem standing by it.

I dont think anyone here has said Jackson is a sure thing. I know I havent, I wouldnt say any player is a sure thing because thats a recipe for disaster. All I have said is that Jackson's stuff is outstanding and there is reason to believe that he can be a great starter. That doesnt mean he certainly will be, it just means that he has the talent to make it happen. I personally think that as it stands today, April 8, 2011 that Edwin Jackson is better than Hudson. As for the rest, every player is a question mark. The White Sox determined that they would rather have Jackson as a ? at 7mil than Hudson as a ? at 350k. I tend to agree with them. But for you to say that there is no way the Sox can win this trade economically, just shows that you are completely biased. Because I absolutely admit that the Sox could lose this trade, I just think they will win. See the difference.

I dont care what everyone had to say about Vazquez in 2008, you can pull up threads from 2008 and see what I had to say about Vazquez (consistently defended him because people hated on him merely because he was traded for Chris Young.) I dont know what point you are getting at here. You made a statement that is factually incorrect, that this can never be an economic win for the Sox, you got called out on it.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Edwin Jackson has been considered a pitcher with amazing stuff since he broke on the scene in 2003 (you can go back and look at the innumerable posts about Edwin Jackson on this very site.) http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/featu...0s/dodgers.html http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/featu...0s/dodgers.html TOP PROSPECTS OF THE DECADE 2004 Edwin Jackson, rhp You are talking about a pitching phenom who was rushed to quickly. The guy is only 27 years old. There is no reason to believe that Cooper didnt see a flaw in his delivery (he was opening up to much), didnt fix it, and now Jackson is tapping into the unlimited potential that every single scout saw back in 2003. You are just so wrong on Jackson that its hard to take your opinion seriously anymore. (Edit) Its not like I am saying Ohman will be magically good, we are talking about a player who was considered one of the best pitching prospects in baseball due to his stuff. Its always been a question of can a team teach him to harness it. No one has ever questioned his stuff.

Its a statement that can not be defended. He said "NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS" So even if Jackson resigns with the Sox for $300k, wins 7 cy young awards and 7 world series, it will always be an economic fail. It should be pretty clear at this point some people refuse to look at the Jackson-Hudson trade fairly, I just hope the majority of White Sox fans can appreciate Jackson for who he is, not as some comparison to the mythical legend that is Daniel Hudson.

(Edit Bigsqwert beat me to the punch, so this is in response to J4l) You actually are wrong there. If Jackson brings the Sox increased revenue which is greater than his contract (profit) that exceeds what the revenue minus Hudson's contract would have been, then Jackson would be an economic success. So lets call a spade a spade, Hudson is cheaper, but cheaper does not always mean economically better. Ill make it simple: There are 2 tacos I can buy, the first is from a shady restaurant and costs $1, the second is from a Rick Bayless restaurant and costs $13. Using your simplistic view, 13 costs more than 1 dollar, therefore economically the first taco must be a better buy. But if the taco I bought for $1 gives me salmonella and that costs me $1,000 in medical bills, it was not a better economical purchase, because $1001 (the real cost of the taco) is greater than 13. The only way we will be able to determine an economic fail would be to determine the actual value brought to the team by Jackson minus his cost, versus the actual value brought to the team by Hudson minus his cost. Its not just as simple as $7mil > $350k, you would have to wait until the end of both of their careers to really know who was the more economical player.

Hard to believe there are 8 pages of debate on whether we should vote for a turd sandwich or giant douche. Its the last guy on the roster, Sox must have felt versatility trumped the fact Lasting may have been a (slightly) better player.

Wisconsin is overrated That is odd to say.

Yet its more believable, that I (some one who has been a regular at this site before you), would for absolutely no reason point you out as being unnecessarily negative on Jackson. Disagree if you want, but there is a reason I believe it, and its based on your posts. /shrugs Perhaps if you dont want Jackson to fail, you should maybe add caveats to your posts like "While Id hope Jackson proves me wrong", etc. Instead of just coming off as completely negative, when you were basically hell bent against the guy last year. I really dont care, my reputation is what it is.

Youve gone way past the point of reasonable criticism of Jackson , and there is no other conclusion that can be reached besides for you are trying to protect your own reputation. Ive made critical comments about White Sox players innumerable times on this message board, but there is a difference between being critical and what you have done with Jackson. Its abundantly clear to me, that you have a personal interest in Jackson failing to prove your arguments about the trade. As for going to northsidesox, no idea what that is, nor do I care.

You are also consistently on record as disliking Jackson, so you have a pretty big reason to hope that he fails.

The above post is nonsense. How does expectation = tearing the team apart every year? Its called whining and its annoying.

That really doesnt address the fact that people have been far more negative post 2005. How many blow up the team threads etc have there been. Its just ridiculous.

No thats exactly the point. Post 2005 is the most glorious time in White Sox history. They are spending money, trying to win. Yet there are fans out there complaining constantly about the management, the owner and the team.

My guess is that the Sox have won more games and had more playoff appearances between 2005-2011 than any other 6 year stretch in Sox history. What do these numbers mean: 1983, 1993, 2000 Exactly.

Im always positive until they are officially eliminated.

He sees it going on, he tells the players to change, its up to the player to actually listen. Which is why batting coach is nothing more than a scapegoat position. If players do bad, you blame the coach. If players do well, you congratulate the player. The player is the million dollar investment who you want to have a good mental attitude.

Soxtalk has been hilariously negative since 2006.

Jackson is going to price himself out of a White Sox uniform, the Sox best chance is that he decides that money isnt everything and that he can live on more than $5mil a year.

What approach is that, Ive already debunked the myth that Walker preaches lift and pull. Everyone needs a scapegoat though!

JP is probably Price's last batter as its a bunch of righties after him and Price is near 100 pitches.

Fortunately for AJ there arent that many catchers who arent horrible. So they are more willing to overlook his attitude as compared to an OF or easily replaceable position.

At least AJ saw a few pitches before inevitably grounding out.

No way are they going to mess with Jackson in this weather.