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Ill take it, Wisconsin has won enough close games this year (or lost close ones) that its not that big of a deal in terms of being given a game. If anything the most important thing for Wisconsin is what seed they can manage to pull down.

Lots of booing from OSU fans, but lots of cheering from me. Strange end to that game, just glad that Wisconsin some how escaped. Hopefully OSU plays better the rest of the year beats MSU, Indiana, and Purdue? (The announcers said they still play all 3, I dont know and i havent checked so if thats wrong blame CBS not me)

Im some what nervous about OSU. Even more nervous that these bastards at CBS wont change the damn game. Irish are up by 7 with 30 seconds left. I hate this, I wish the game was on BTN.

Stewart (Oregon) will most likey go before Mendenhall. Felix Jones may go in front of him as well. 40 speed isnt everything, Jerry Rice, Emmitt Smith, Walter Payton, and so on and so forth.

Happy Birthday, hopefully it goes well.

Its about 50 pounds of Marijuana from how I read the story. 50 x16= 800 oz x 8= 6400 6400 x$50= $320,000 In order for it to be over a million it would have had to be 3x the amount, meaning 150 lbs (which doing the above math comes out to $920k) They must have been using a street value of over $50 an 1/8, (my calculations is almost 3x that), which comes out exactly like Santo said. Nothing on the market costs over $60, not even prescription Cali stuff. Also, they are probably counting if you sell it at the smallest denomination and when you keep breaking it down it gets more and more expensive, ie: Lets say an 1/8= $50 (3.5 grams) 1 gram alone would cost $20 (coming out to $70 an 1/8) Now if you broke it down to half a gram it might be something like $15 (which would come out to $105 an 1/8) Still pretty clear the Cops used a little hyperbole.

Questionable not calling the TO by Calipari. And then Pearl fouls up 3, most coaches dont have the guts. Lets see if it pays off.

Yah sorry i got 76 and 87 mixed up in my head. I havent looked into Indiana history in a while since i chose not to go there.

I love that Rex is back for one more year. At the end of the season he started to look better and it gives the Bears flexibility that they dont need to solve the QB situation today, so that they can make good decisions instead of forced ones.

How about once again you leave out KEY FACTS; http://sports.propeller.com/story/2006/08/...mith-from-vols/ GRADE TAMPERING and INAPPROPRIATE RELATIONSHIP. This seems like a 3rd strike your out, not a first time offender.... You have no clue about any of these players, you have no clue about Smith. You have something against U of I because they suspended your father, and you think that it gives you some entitlement to say they should be handling things better. When in reality first time offenders almost never get kicked off the team. :shrugs: At least be so considerate to find us situations that are analogous instead of easily distinguishable. (Edit) Damn Dr you were quicker than me.

Its funny, you mention Colquitt, but you leave out key facts as to why he was given his penalty: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3251463 1) This was not Colquitt's first offense. 2) Colquitt is a senior with 0 years of eligibility left... Which means if UT gave him the same penalty as Smith, he would never play another down. Instead they only gave him a 5 game suspension and took away a scholarship so that he could still play this season. If anything this penalty is way lighter than Smiths.... Jenks, Good luck, if you have any questions just send me a pm and Ill give you any tips I can.

Um what are you talking about? Ivy league schools take their sports very seriously, they offer "scholarships" (they are "need" based, not based on "athleticism"). Ever heard of Dan Jiggets, he went to Harvard... Where did I say that the reason those schools offer great education is because of sports? I said that they get national recognition, which leads to getting better applicants, which leads to the school improving its national rank, which then improves its prestige. Not to mention you are comparing ivy league schools to INDIANA which is not even a top 50 school. Ivy league schools get the best of the best in terms of applicants, every single kid I knew that went to ivy league never even cared about sports, so the fact that their school wasnt a sports school didnt matter. Conversely Big 10 schools, which are for much more mainstream students, sports does play an important role in how people decide to go to school. Case in point, The year before Wisconsin went to the Final Four, 5 people went to University of Wisconsin from my HS. The year Wisconsin went to the Final Four over 20 people went to Wisconsin. These were all the same type of students, except more started choosing Wisconsin over Michigan.... Well all the large alumni donors I know donate for the sports programs. /shrugs. Its funny you bring up Indiana. When I was visiting there all they wanted to talk about was basketball and the 1986 championship and how there is still one fish or something missing from the fountain. The entire time I was there all they wanted to sell me on was their basketball program. The same can be said for Wisconsin, Michigan, and Illinois. (all wanting to sell sports) I cant remember 1 of them even talking about their academics, when they were trying to get me to decide which school to go to, all they wanted to tell me about was which was the highest rated party school, which had the best football team, which one had the library rated by playboy as the best place to pick up girls, etc. Not exactly sure what school you went to, but Indiana whom offered me an academic scholarship, never once tried to sell me on their academics. Jimbo, I know, but a warrant is a warrant in the eyes of the law. I just was pointing out every program has problems (not saying Self is a bad guy or anything). Just that generally the team stands by its player. 101, An odd time where we agree. Im not saying sports are the most important thing, but to many of the applicants sports is more important than academic rank. When you are talking the difference between Purdue and Iowa this year, (both ranked 64 by US News) what will be the determining factor for many who get accepted into both? My experience has been the sports program. Most college students dont even know the major they are going to be taking, let alone are selecting schools for certain programs. What they know, what they hear, is about sports.

Well I dont believe everyone deserves a second chance. I do believe that I do not have better information than the University of Illinois or the County of Champaign. If they believe that this is an appropriate punishment, that is their job and decision to make. But Im not about to blame Bruce Weber. Is it Weber's fault that the prosecutor made a deal? Because its the prosecutors job to prosecute and convict criminals, so if he made a deal I doubt it was because he wanted to make sure that Jamar Smith stayed on the Illini basketball team to help recruiting. As for the prosecution, I cant speak on it. I have not reviewed the court files or anything, but I guess if you know the reason why the prosecutor accepted a plea bargain, than you have some inside information. Self can bring in players with the best of them, but Brandon Rush received no punishment and he had warrants out for him for failing to appear in court. Or what about Memphis, http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/7791324...Memphis-program Most of these players receive no punishment. Gullickson on Wisconsin has 3 under age drinking offenses, he was not even suspended from the team, he is a walk on with a scholly. Do you think that Wisconsin is keeping him because they need his talent? Or maybe is it that these programs feel a responsibility towards their players and just because they made a mistake they arent going to disown them and leave them out to dry. They are going to help these kids try and fix their lives and become better people I disagree, those players make your degree. A prime example of this is Wisconsin. In the early 80's Wisconsin was not a top Big 10 University and it had a horrible sports program. In the mid 90's Wisconsin started to improve its sports program and the applicants for the school started to become better. After the final 4 appearance in 1999, the university of Wisconsin's applications drastically increased. Due to this increase Wisconsin began to only accept better and better students. As a result of this Wisconsin's rating as a University has been increasing as well. So I thank all of the players who have given to my University, because they have made my degree worth something. At the end of the day a valuable sports program is one of the most important things at a school.

Carlwell did not die, so its pretty irrelevant what penalty would be appropriate if he had died. It would be like saying: "Well I got in an accident, and it could have been way worse. Luckily nothing really happened, but can I sue the other driver for the terrible things that may have happened?" No you cant. The facts are Carlwell was not seriously injured. Carlwell decided to get in the car he was not forced. He made a decision to get into the car and put his life at risk. In my opinion he is almost as guilty as Smith, he could have stopped Smith from driving, he could have said no to the ride. In the end "could have" is all that it is. No you dont know. Your father was kicked out for 1 year, so what. Not every crime or criminal is treated the same way. Was your father in school in the last 10 years (no) so its not the same time, its not the same administration, its not the same attitude towards drinking. I was caught using a fake ID 3 times when I went to Madison. I never even had to talk with the Administration, I was not put on probation, I was not suspended, no one cared. My roommate was given multiple public drinking tickets, he was never suspended, placed on probation, etc. My other roommate was caught smoking dope by the RA, he was never disciplined, reported, or placed on probation. I kept an illegal alligator in my apartment for a year, I was never placed on any sort of probation. The only time I slightly got reported was: Failure to go downstairs on a false fire alarm. And even that went away. So just because you have 1 example of where the administration was tough, there are a thousand of other examples where they just dont care. Im sure that there are people who want to U of I here and who got drinking tickets or there id's taken and were not suspended. So you cant just use your own personal experience to paint the administration. Well thats your first problem. Cheating is not enforced by law makers, its enforced by the NCAA. I dont know of any illinois statute that says its against the law to make phone calls to recruit, care to find me one? The problem is you keep comparing apples and oranges. One being handled by the state and the school. The other being handled by the NCAA. See how those are not the same entities, the NCAA is not the state of Illinois, and the state of Illinois is not the NCAA. So if the NCAA feels cheating is worse than drunk driving, thats THEIR problem. Perhaps you should talk to the NCAA and say that players who are caught drinking and driving should be suspended and lose eligibility to play in the NCAA, they have the power to do that. And you shouldnt be upset im not a lawmaker, the lawmakers clearly agree with me as Jamar Smith already has been charged by the state of Illinois and that case has come to its conclusion. So clearly the state of Illinois feels that what Jamar Smith did was not that bad either.... The only people that seem to have a problem are those who either: A) Dislike Bruce Weber B ) Dislike Illinois Because Leonard Little of the Stl Rams actually killed some one while driving drunk and all he received was a slap on the wrist, not sure why Smith should be held to a higher standard... http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nf...e-charged_x.htm Yeah Little not only killed some one in 1999, but then six years later in 2004 was again arrested for drunk driving. But I dont hear any one of you on a crusade against him....

Care to explain? The University of Illinois makes the policy on whether a student should be suspended, kicked out, etc. The only thing Weber was in charge of was with Smith in terms of the basketball program. If Weber's bosses said this is how to handle the situation, why would they fire him when he did what he was told? Personally I dont think Weber did anything wrong. In my opinion drinking and driving is not the worst crime in the world, and yes something bad happened, but if everyone on the team and within the Administration feels that Smith's punishment should be X, thats what it should be. Well people do care about whats happening in Illinois, its just not against any rules, so why would people be outraged? DUI's happen all the time, im sure that plenty of people in the NCAA etc have gotten a DUI. A DUI is not an NCAA problem, it is a state of Illinois problem. The state of Illinois could have sent Jamar Smith to jail, but it did not. The University of Illinois did not even have to suspend Smith. I guess my problem is that these are kids, and kids make mistakes. In college, especially at a campus like Illinois where you can get into bars at 19, underage drinking is common and accepted. People make mistakes and Smith is serving the time the University of Illinois and state of Illinois have deemed appropriate. Sampson is an adult. Sampson was specifically told by the NCAA to not do something. Sampson to benefit himself and his school chose to cheat, he chose to cheat to gain benefit for himself. That is far worse than making a mistake and driving in horrible conditions after you drank. I guess im not going to throw stones, because I am no better or worse than Smith or Carlwell. Maybe I wouldnt have left the scene, maybe I would have called the police, but I dont know, Ive panicked before Ive made the wrong decision, and I would hope that my friends, teammates, and coach could eventually forgive me. As for Carlwell being pushed out, so far Ive seen nothing to prove that. If anything Illinois wanted to keep him in the program, work with him to rehab him and get him back in shape. How is it pushing him out of the program to ask him to red shirt? Thats the exact opposite, its trying to protect and keep a player in the program. If your theory was true, Weber would have never wanted the red shirt because hed have wanted Carlwell's scholly off the books? Or maybe Weber wanted to keep Carlwell for another year next year, burn a scholarship on him, and then have Carlwell transfer after next season? Because thats basically what your arguing in terms of asking Carlwell to take a red shirt, since a red shirt keeps a player in the program an extra year.... Seems odd youd want to keep a player your trying to get rid of. :shrugs: People make mistakes, they should be given another chance. If Smith drank and drive again, hed be gone. I bet even if Smith is seen drinking under age he gone. Sampson had his chance, after his big problem not only did he not get kicked out of OU, he got a better job and a nice raise. Perhaps you can see the irony in an Indiana fan saying that a player should never get a second chance, because your University gave Sampson another chance....

http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/10659277 Any Indiana fans with information? This basically seems like worst case scenario.

I have no idea, I assume it depends on the terms of her probation. Maybe not a parole officer, but there could be some sort of reporting requirement etc. I doubt that its illegal to require that as a term of her probation, but I cant say for sure whether its been done or not.

Jack's story about the crash was perjury, he just was flat out lying. The agent didnt die in the crash, thats not how he found out about Kate, etc. At the end this is confirmed when Kate asks how he knew shed be there and he said something to the effect of "Your lawyer tipped me off, he owed me." Because Jack had perjured for her lawyer.

Good point Jimbo on the PO, and it sheds some light into why when Jack calls she is so insistent she cant go. If she leaves the state of Cali she violates her parole and would lose her son.

I dont actually agree that he is the best in his field. At a certain point money does not equal happiness and that is why Boras becomes a detriment to his client. He is always looking for the best deal because that gives him the biggest pay day, he doesnt go and give home town discounts or do the type of things to make sure that his players stay happy. Some players are bottom line guys, some players are not. For the latter he is not the best agent in the business.

He didnt call him a baby, he didnt call him lazy, he just said the truth, it is what it is. What is so ironic, is that you want the driver in jail, but you completely let Carlwell off the hook. Was Carlwell forced into the car? Was Carlwell made to take that ride? He got hurt, bad things happen to good people all the time. But Smith did not intentionally injure him, at some point Carlwell needs to take responsibility for his actions. You want to act all tough towards Smith, but you have no clue what went down. Its all hearsay conjecture, and bottom line you are looking for an excuse to hate Weber. Maybe blame the University of Illinois, last I checked they are still letting Smith stay in school. If he can stay in school and his team wants him on the court, who are you to decide differently? Take your shots at Weber now, because in a few years Illinois is going to be back at the top of the Big 10 and then what?

Your bias is just so apparent. This comment is pathetic and out of control: Appreciate the contribution and wish him the best, and will support him in any way we can regarding his future at another university. What are you talking about?

Jimbo will be happy, Hinrich and Gooden, some one call Nick Collison were getting the gang together!

Well im pretty sure for Gasol the Bulls had to trade young guys, not old guys. I doubt the Bulls turned down Wallace and Smith for Gasol... Its clear Paxson's plan was to trade vets not to trade his young players. Whether or not it works is debatable, but clearly he did not want to part with young guys.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/80...-carl21.article Those are the comments Weber said today. The comments that you are quoting is what he said in regards to why Carlwell decided to transfer. Weber had been trying to get him to red-shirt this year but Carlwell did not want to. At least thats what they were saying during the Wisconsin/Illinois game. Here is the comment you referred to: http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=139182 The key part is on MONDAY. Which was before he decided to transfer.