Soxbadger

So far you have not mentioned a legitimate top 25 team offering him. Im just saying that this could all change depending on where other top Qb's go. Guys like Landry Jones are going to set up where all the rest of the qb's fall. Just like Mallet, Claussen, etc did last year.

Final 2? Kind of early in the football recruiting process to say anything at this point. QB's do commit early, but first guys like Landry Jones, etc are gonna do it, then guys like Pick. Because the top schools offer the top choice, then depending on the school that misses him, they start to go down the line.

Iowa (outside of winning the B-10 tourney) will not make the NCAA. Right now from the Big 10 I have the following: Wisconsin, OSU (Locks) Indiana (in barring meltdown) MSU, Illinois (In as long as they win atleast 50% of remaining games) Purdue, Iowa (bubble, need to really impress, basically beat either Wisconsin/OSU in BTT)

Maybe the Bears pull a Chargers and fire Smith now. I wouldnt die if next year Singletary and Rivera were the Head Coach and DC, ( I dont even mind which way those jobs are given). Just sucks that the Bears let Lovie push Rivera out the door, and now Lovie isnt going to even sign long term.

1) If the Badgers lose to OSU, they wont drop from a 2 seed. That just does not make sense. With a loss to OSU, that will put them at 4 losses for the season. 3 of them on the road, 1 at a neutral site. 3 of the losses will be to tournament teams, 1 of them to the potentially number 1 team in the nation. (Should OSU beat Wisconsin they will most likely be the #1, #1) 2) Wisconsin has better wins than KU. KU has 1 signature win over Florida, 1 okay win against non-conference (USC at home), and the rest of its good wins are in conference. Wisconsin on the other hand has beat Pitt, Marquette (on the road) from the Big East, FSU from ACC, Georgia, Auburn from SEC, and OSU from the Big 10. 3) Wisconsin does not have a bad loss. The arguably worst loss by Wisconsin is to Missouri State on a neutral site. Kansas has a loss to Oral Roberts, Depaul, and has lost on its home floor to A&M. Note Wisconsin has not lost on its home floor all year and has played superior ranked opponents than A&M. 4) RPI SOS, Wisconsin 6 RPI, 55 SOS. KU 13 RPI, 57 SOS. Not to mention Kansas lost to A&M at home. If anyone from the Big 12 will get a 2 seed its A&M.

Madison you have to be 21 to enter a bar at night, unless you are accompanied by your legal gaurdian. I dont really know of any college campus where you dont have to be 21 to get into a bar. I always thought that was only an Illinois thing, because they use it as one of their recruiting tools. (Not talking about athletes, talking about when they are trying to get students.) On the Chester thing, we also dont know what Jamar Smith said to him. For all we know he told Chester: Carlwell was drunk as hell smashed up the car and told me he wanted to sleep it off in the passanger seat. Lets go out and make sure that he is breathing, but I dont want to call the police and get him in trouble. Chester isnt a dr, and some one passed out in a car without apparent injuries may not look that injured. In retrospect its easy to say "oh carlwell was seriously injured", but from personal experience I know people who have gotten in worse wrecks and tried to keep the police out of it because the injuries were only minor.

I dont think what Ray lewis did is comparable. So far no one has told me of an "ACT" that Chester did, as opposed to an "ommission". The United States never places a duty on a person to help some one else. There are no good sumaritan requirements, nothing. So why should Chester, just because he is "teammates" have to do something that would not be required of any other person in the United States. And why should his failure to do something, result in any sort of suspension? Almost everyones first instinct is to protect yourself. We do not know what Chester was thinking, we do not know what Smith told him. All we know is that he saw a car with some one smashed up in it, and did not call 911. That makes Chester a bad person, not a criminal, not some one who broke a team rule or univeristy policy. And you say: "The worst thing Carlwell did" No the worst thing he did was let Jamar Smith drive and then not call the police on him. Isnt that basically "covering up" some one breaking the law. Carlwell was in a position to stop this whole thing, he made the choice not to. Just like CHester was in a position to get help faster, and he chose not to. I dont see why choice a is necessarily better than choice b. Which is why I feel this whole: "Chester should be kicked out of the unviersity" is perplexing.

Its clear that you dont like Weber, so im just gonna stop arguing. Using your logic, Carlwell should also be kicked off the team for the following reasons: 1) He knew that smith was drunk and let him drive the car. He failed to report to the police a drunk driver. 2) when he woke up in the car he did not call 911 failing to report an accident with injuries. Which is worse? I dont know, Carlwell got hurt so of course he is absolved. But if he had stopped Smith from driving the car, no one would be talking about this either. I dont blame some one after the fact for making stupid decisions. Make him (chester) give lectures to incoming Freshman about the dangers of underage driving, let him do something that will help stop the problem. But kicking him off the team because he got caught up in some one elses crime is not really fair in my opinion.

My guess is none of that happened. And if a coach did get involved it was not Weber, and that Weber had no knowledge whatsoever. Because just think of it this way: If a Illinois coach was contacted, you could argue that they had a duty to report it to the police. None of them are going to risk their careers over Jamar Smith. Now if he was a more important player to illinois, i could understand it.

Well my guess on the update with Wisconsin losing is that Wisconsin would be #2 midwest, OSU #1 (if that is allowed). OSU gets a #2 in the east for the reason that Lexington is actually closer to Columbus than Chicago. But Wisconsin is the closest school to Chicago that will be in the tournament and has a shot at a 2 seed. (Doubtful Marquette gets up there and Milwaukee is slightly closer to Chicago.)

That bracket on espn still has OSU as a 2 seed though right?

Once again you use the word "cover up" but the actions done by Chester I really cant use that term. Did Chester destroy evidence? Did Chester prevent a police investigation? Did Chester when questioned by police, lie, mislead, deceive? If the answer to all of the questions are no, then there was no cover up. Just being at the wrong place at the wrong time is not a cover up. Lets look at the events: Your roomate comes home drunk and has just destroyed his car. Another one of your friends/teammates is in the car in an unknown condition. What did Smith say to Chester? We dont know what frame of mind Chester was in. What if Smith came in and said "I just killed one of our teammates" Chester goes out to look at him and they both freak out. Now they are in a state of panic, maybe Chester has some illegal things at the apartment, maybe he is underage and there is alcohol in there. What do you do? No one is saying that the best decision was made. But in Chester's case, he did not make a decision that was illegal. We dont know what condition Chester was in, maybe he had been sleeping and just woke up. Maybe he was plastered. What I can say is that it is way to far to ruin some ones life just because of bad circumstances. Chester did not go out and drink, he didnt drive home, he didnt fail to report the accident when it happened, and if Smith had taken an ounce of responsibility for himself Chester would not even be mentioned right now. I mean have none of you been in a group where being a "snitch" etc would be detrimental? Chester is on the team too, and who knows how the rest of the team may react to him calling the police on another teammate. Its just not so cut and dry, hes a young college student. And as some one who has made plenty of bad decisions mistakes, etc, Im not going to bring down the hammer on some one who's biggest mistake was, not calling 911 as quickly as possible.

The institution that is out of control is the UNiversity of Illinois, not Bruce Webers program. Once again when you let kids drink at 19 a lot of s*** is going to happen. I can gaurantee scenarios like this play out quite fequently at Illinois (and at every school in the nation). Im sorry but if my roomate gets in a car accident, or is on the floor dieing, I would have no duty whatsoever to do anything (if I wasnt at fault like Frazier). Why would the University punish me? Yeah its a bad character move, yeah a good human would do it, but no I didnt do anything illegal or that controvenes school policy.

I disagree about the Chester part. First of all there is no law, requirement, etc that you must help a person. Its hard to get into a persons mind, but Chester Frazier did not cause the accident. He did not drink/drive, he just happened to be the roomate of some on stupid. Now his a friend/teamate of both of them, but how can you ruin his life because he did not perhaps make the "best" decision. Because the decision he did make was not illegal, and while stupid, the position was thrust upon him. Just by circumstance he now gets kicked off the team? Im also not sure about the scholarship/ what type of agreement is signed, but I would for sure contact a lawyer if I was Frazier and the school tried to take away my scholly. I mean for not being a good sumaritan/ being a stupid kid the penalty of being kicked out is way to harsh.

The reason that this is happening is not weber, its because this is Illinois (with the DUI's atleast). Im sorry but last I checked you only have to be 19 to get into bars into Champaign? Is that still correct? Because that is setting a piss-poor example for these players, they go into bars where they undoubtedly get served and they believe that they are allowed to drink. The school does not do anything to stop it, so why should all the blame be placed on the players? 9 out of 10 of us on this board are either in college or have been to college. I would venture to say that almost the same amount of us drank underage. No amount of a coach telling the players not to do something is going to change what college is. The only thing that can change is: 1) Stop the foolish policy of 19 into bars. It basically is giving the green light for under age drinking, and if you dont think that plays a role in these players decisions, I think your mistaken. When they can go into bars, it makes them feel like drinking is OK. Even when you hear the newspaper they keep saying things like "Smith was 2x the legal limit". Thats not even true, he was infinity above the legal limit, because the legal limit in IL under 21 is 0. You only get .08 if you are over 21. 2) The school has to step in, not Weber. Eventhough its his team, the reality of the situation is he has to support his players. If he starts selling them down the river, how will he get recruits in the future? If Illinois itself disciplines them, he can atleast say "Hey I stood up for them, thats all I can do".

Well I dont think the 1 seed in the Midwest is available for KU. It will go to the winner of sundays OSU/Wisconsin game, barring some sort of magnificent failure on either of their parts. The 1 seed in the West is reasonable provided that KU does not lose another game and that UCLA does lose atleast 1. The South seed is basically locked up as well, unless Florida does something drastically to mess up their ranking. The only other seed that is up for grabs is the East. And if UNC losses a bunch that seed could go to a team like OSU or Wisconsin, and either give the Big 10, 2 1 seeds, or give one of them to KU. And of course with Florida losing to Vandy and Wisconsin losing to MSU it just shows that even the top 5 teams can lose at some one elses house.

Sorry KU, but I would venture to say that at this point Wisconsin has the #2 in the Midwest unless they some how can get back to a #1 seed. If KU gets a 2, I would guess you are looking at the South or West. Cause as of now I would say: UNC (East), Florida (South), OSU (Midwest), UCLA (West) After that it my guess is: Wisconsin (Midwest) KU (West) Although is there some rule that OSU and Wisconsin couldnt be the 1 and 2 seeds in the same bracket?

I hope that the badgers use this in future games, was pretty effective.

Wisconsin can only blame themselves. I dont care what Neitzel did, Wisconsin failed to score for 7 minutes basically to end the game (outside the Bohannon drive and Taylor put back). All they needed to do was score what 10 points over that stretch and they win the game? They blew it, terrible shot selection at certain points. Flowers would make a great defensive play and then force it on offense and give it right back. Cant say that I dont wish they had won, but that offensive performance was pretty bad. On the other hand the good news is: MSU rushed the court on us (haha I wish there was a statistic about court stormings) The OSU game is no longer well if we lose we split the series and maybe still get a 1 seed. I actually prefer Wisconsins back against the wall in this game. Since no one else can beat OSU, guess Wisconsin will have to do it twice. (Hopefully Ryan sees some of the things that went wrong against MSU and fixes them. The biggest problem was early Wisconsin was on fire from 3 so they started to shoot 3's in the 2nd when it might have been wiser to just grind it out and get the easier buckets. Especially with MSU being so strong on the glass.) On a side note, im not really a basketball rules guy so what are you exactly allowed to do boxing out? The MSU guys were just pushing Wisconsin players out of bounds with both of their hands, is that generally legal? Or was this just a physical game?

Haha Landry passed off a guys back and scored lol Wow after technical on Ryan the refs have completely changed. I guess its nice to be a 1 team and the media wanting OSU v Wisconsin.

Collins would not start over Flowers who is the best on ball defender on Wisconsin. Bo Ryan just would not start a player who was a freshman unless 1 of 2 things: A) The upper classmen were clearly inferior B) The frosh was the next coming of Isaiah/ Magic. And most importantly in the swing offense: Assist to turnover/ 86 38 for flowers I actually think that Taylor would be benched first before flowers, just because of all the different things. But as for right now I think Collins would come off the bench, just because hes a Frosh.

He would be the best point guard in the big 10 starting on the bench for the 2 best teams in the Big 10. Collins would not start for OSU or Wisconsin, so he would be in the exact same situation as he is at Kansas. Well actually Kansas should be starting him so perhaps first he needs to prove that he is the best pg on his team before he can be the best pg in a superior conference? I dont know baby steps?

Id put alot of money on the law that the lady is accused of breaking is statutory and not common law. Almost all criminal laws are statutory. The statute proscribes the conduct that is necessary for conviction. A law like "statutory rape" does not include "knowledge" which is generally required in common law crimes. This is important because prior to statutory law the prosecution had to prove to things: 1) actus reus (criminal act) 2) mens rea (criminal mind). In this case it would be almost impossible to prove mens rea (like in the case of the 18 year old and 17 year old where the 17 year old comes in and says they consented negating the criminal mind). That is why I believe that it was a statutory crime, and that makes it much much harder to defend against. Basically I think the statute says all you have to do is committed the act, regardless of whether you intended to or not. If that is the case it doesnt matter what excuse she uses the act happened, shes guilty. Like statutory rape, it doesnt matter if 1000 witnesses come in and say that the girl lied about her age, was in a 21 club, etc. If the boy had sex with some one under the age of consent, its rape regardless. Sorry if i wasnt clear enough.

I already stated why I brought up the example.

Im not even going to get into this argument, I just wanted to use an example that most people would know. Im not going to start writing a book on conflict of laws and what state law would trump etc. Most people have heard of 18 as an adult, 17 as a minor, so for an easy comparison I was just using that. I guess since its an Illinois website I could have used 17 and 16, but the age thing was really not the point.