EvilMonkey

QUOTE(Texsox @ Oct 9, 2007 -> 05:35 PM) And we'll pay thousands of a dollars a year paying for his room and board. So do you advocate just letting him go? What is your plan, o snarky one? He committed a crime. If you let it go unpunished, that encourages others to do the same, since the fear of jail is gone. Even if it was just a doughnut. But yet if you throw him in jail, we have to pay for his jail time. Pick one. Or we could do it the Islamic way and just cut off his hand(s). Since we will all be under their rule soon anyway, might as well get used to it.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Oct 9, 2007 -> 05:32 PM) I guess I'm saying since there is a tougher road to success for some minorities than some whites, there must be some barriers in the way, why else would it be tougher? But we would then be parsing words, and why bother? Fixed that for ya.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Oct 9, 2007 -> 02:51 PM) LMAO. OK, I see where this is going. Enjoy your fantasy. Tex, back in the 80's, I had tried to apply for a job at UIC that I saw in the paper every sunday. I send resume after resume, changing colors of the paper, different cover letters, etc. No luck on getting a call for an interview. until I changed the name at top to Tyrone Jackson. They weren't happy at my appearance or something when i got there, as my interview lasted all of about 30 seconds. but it was worth it.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Oct 9, 2007 -> 12:16 PM) We can cite facts all we want but perception is reality for minorities in America. Are there any white middle class males that would switch and be Black or Latino? I don't think so. It still isn't a level playing field, and won't be in my lifetime. We have however, made giant strides in my lifetime. While signs proclaiming WHITES ONLY and NO n*****S seem like ancient artifacts, there are many people alive who remember them vividly. And they would make a bigger impact on the people excluded than included. So while taking down the signs are a big step, they do not erase people's memories and attitudes. OK, so they almost killed the white kid as payback for past racial injustices done to their ancestors? Why didn't they just say so? They should just get a slap on the wrist then. My willingness or lack thereof to become black or latino has no bearing whatsoever on the fact that these kids beat up someone.

Damn facts!

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Oct 9, 2007 -> 11:42 AM) An extra special thanks to ABC for that one... http://www.nysun.com/article/64163 Just wait, I am sure there will be a passionate defense of them shortly.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Oct 8, 2007 -> 06:25 PM) I would agree with y'all if unemployment rates were double digits, but they are not, and haven't been. Even with immigrants, y'all still found dishwashing jobs, so there seems to be more than enough to go around. Build a guest worker program and rely on legal workers. AND throw out all the illegal ones while you are at it.

Balta, that's all fine. But if you are only going to target 'conservative' commentators, then how can you claim that you are non-political? Simply by choosing to do only one side you have made a political statement. At least MRC comes out and admits their slant on their webpage:

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 8, 2007 -> 12:34 PM) I guess that's one way to stop illegal immigrants. That's a damn nice dam.

QUOTE(NUKE @ Oct 8, 2007 -> 02:34 AM) You're grasping at straws here Rex. Seriously, any organization that is solely focused on one ideology for its scorn checked any hint of objectivity at the door. And Tex called my accusations 'unfair' in the other thread. They can rationalize anything as long as it suits thier needs.

Apparently they were a little miffed that someone referred to them as "an avowedly political institution, part of a group of institutions the Center for American Progress, MoveOn.org, and others ­ that have become increasingly important in Democratic politics." In response to that, they said"Media Matters is not, as the National Review claims, "an avowedly political institution," but a nonpartisan, progressive nonprofit that is unaffiliated with any political party or candidate." http://mediamatters.org/items/200710050007?f=h_latest If that is the case, how to they justify their own words on their websites 'Who we are' section: If they were truely nonpolitical, why would that one word be in their 'Who we are' statement?

2 candy bars and a coke was too much for Trachsel. That video has immediately been forwarded to my brother in law (Cubs fan).

I hope he hits many more as a member of the White Sox.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Oct 5, 2007 -> 11:25 AM) Carter invaded Iran with four helicopters. It's funny and it's true and it's terrible all the same. And changed his mind before they got there.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Oct 5, 2007 -> 09:09 AM) The issue to me is not that Obama isn't wearing a stupid pin. The issue is that he made a statement why he wasn't wearing one to call attention to the fact he wasn't wearing a flag pin. Why even go there? Or was this taken out of context and therefore did Obama get "Media Mattered"? I should start running my rants by you first. That is the secoond time you have summed up my point in about 2 lines.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Oct 5, 2007 -> 09:05 AM) The answer this. You asked it about Obama: You see, the wearing of the flag pin was something that most Democratic candidates have doen at certain times to help combat the meme that they are somehow NOT patriotic. Maybe if he rephrases his statement to something like "I started wearing this because I felt I needed to prove my patriotism, and this was a cheap and easy fix. but you know what, this is just an empty symbol, especially if you don't mean it, so I am not going to wear it anymore. ' He is using the absense of it to now stand out from his competitiors. What voting block is he trying to appeal to with that move? or is it just a case of any press is good press?

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Oct 5, 2007 -> 09:02 AM) Where's the pin??? Communist!!! By the way Barak was wearing, then stopped wearing to 'make a statement'. THAT is the issue here. besides, the way you guys spin things, if he WAS wearing one, you would be screaming that he is somehow pandering to the jingoistic tendencies of his base. As always, it's different.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Oct 5, 2007 -> 08:56 AM) I am completely baffled that you find this to be an issue. This is partisanship at its highest. There is a negative 1 million % chance that you would bring this up if it were Fred Thompson and not Obama. If fred would come out and say 'I am not wearing a flag pin anymore because I choose not to associate myself with a symbol that has come to represent patriotism', I may not post it, but I sure as hell would be very disappointed. And would change my avitar. As for it being an 'issue', if he makes statements about it, it IS an issue. If he picks his nose, it is an issue. Staring the campaigning so damn early, EVERYTHING is an issue. lazy reporters need something to write about, and candidates can't be perfect all the time, so sometimes they make stupid remarks or do stupid things. Its all an issue.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Oct 5, 2007 -> 08:50 AM) This flag pin thing reminds me of when the Daily Show was making fun of the '04 candidates and showing footage of their speeches. Apparently they were trying to one up each other by putting more and more American flags in the background. Was completely ridiculous. Anyone who thinks this flag pin thing is a serious issue needs to get a clue. GMAFB. It's not that he wears it or doesn't wear it, it is his comments about why he doesn't wear it. If he would have said nothing, noone would have asked him 'hey barak, where the hell is your flag pin?'. But to come out more than once and say "The truth is that right after 9/11 I had a pin," Obama said. "Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq war, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security." What is wrong with patriotism? And if he won't wear a pin, because a few people who have worn one have done some bad things, why the hell is he even in politcs! If wearing a pin would make him bad by association, just being a Dem or Repub should be a death sentence. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071004/ap_on_...ama_no_flag_pin (source of quote)

QUOTE(Texsox @ Oct 5, 2007 -> 12:01 AM) I think it is more a comment against those that wrap themselves up in the right clothes, ribbons, and pins, but it is all window dressing. Something that we've complained about here. Giving speeches and not money. Being pro War and making certain you or a loved one didn't have to serve, etc. That's the "kind of" patriotism I believe he was talking about. My guy was a POW, he is waaaay more Patriotic than anyone in the field, so vote for McCain. Being a politician, why would he NOT want to wear a flag pin? He wraps himself up in the right suits, why not add a pin? He doesn't have to start pointing to it and screaming about how patriotic he is, but why NOT wear it? What points can he be loking to score? Oh wait, he wants us to see his patriotism in his character. Sounds nice. But still doesn't answer the question of why not wear a pin? What can it hurt?

Here we are still talking about this guy, when we have another story in the papers. http://www.kxmb.com/News/167702.asp I wonder what party he belongs to? Did he have a wide stance as well, or just a regular one?

Tex, think about his line there. He won't wear it beacuse it has come to stand for patriotism. WHY IS THAT BAD? Does he hate his country? Is he not a patriot? Is he ashamed of the flag, or looking to score points with the commie-fringe of the Dem party?

It seems that Obama won't wear a Flag pin, because he "doesn't like how the pin has come to represent patriotism in America". Seriously, WTF is up with that? Oh wait, we shouldn't question his patriotism. Well, how about his common sense? http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/10232921.html

I'll admire the dedication to the issue, I'll ridicule the attempt to resurect any kind of positive vibe by making him appear to be brave, or a 'badass'.

An 83 year old man goes walking off in a foreign country by himself with an attitude that he can no way back up by himself, gets rescued by a local security cheif and in the end, backs down anyway, after his false bravado wears off. if this would have been Bush Serion, you all would have been claiming that senility has set in. Your hero Carter doesn't wear a cape, but he probably wears Depends. While his trip may have had some noble intentions, this pathetic attempt to prop him up as a brave man, or a hero, is just weak.